2013-06-04, 12:17 | Link #7483 | |
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Bringing Cagalli back to Orb being the main priority was Kira telling them not to surrender to Talia when she offered to spare their lives, and to leave him behind if need be. Something that they disobeyed when Cagalli went out to save him anyway. They never say its propaganda, but that's the only logical reason as to why they aren't slaughtering the Zaft forces enmass like they later do when it's obvious nothing they do can avoid conflict with Zaft because Durandal is hell bent on getting every country to submit to him. |
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2013-06-04, 20:20 | Link #7484 | |
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Well, more proof to Durandal's amazing foresight/planning then, because it was highly likely the Destiny development was already in the construction phase by the time of Operation Angel Down |
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2013-06-05, 23:39 | Link #7486 | |
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Shinn is so "retarded".
1. Blames Kira's Freedom for Heine's death(Heine=dies on first battle=what a noob) when clearly his Extended "lover"(Stellar) killed him. 2. Blames Kira's Freedom for his Extended "lover" death when he should be blaming Neo(Mu that is manipulated by Djibril) for breaking his promise and realizing that Kira did it to save civilian's lives from fcking destruction like how his family was killed in the past....... 3. Takes advantage of Kira's no kill policy(how much more cowardly can u get) and uses cheap tactics such as throwing his machine's body parts at him and making them explode when Kira is not even trying to fight him and only thinking about protecting the archangel. ( Not to mention the fact that Kira turned off the nuclear reactor to not get him killed and Shinn says "Damn it" to get into seed mode almost every time....) 4.Overall, he was really annoying in the whole series except for the meeting with Kira in person. For people who didn't really understand the plot of Gundam Seed Destiny , this sums it up: Chairman Durandal "acts" as a good person who wants world peace between Naturals and Coordinators when he just wants his Destiny Plan(Destiny Plan is basically where everyone's role is decided already and they basically can't change their destiny after they are born.) Djibril(Basically the leader of Blue Cosmos)wants ZAFT(Plants) to be eliminated from the world. Orb is pressured to join which side but while it has been given an alliance treaty with Djbril (AA) and when Orb has not accepted it yet with debate , Minerva(ZAFT ship) resides in their territory. Leader of Orb( Cagalli) is pressured to sign the treaty and then Minerva gets attacked. Kira's Team of Archangel disapproves of both Chairman Durandal's and Djibril's actions. Durandal defeats Djibril, Kira with Eternal and Archangel defeat Durandal, rest of ZAFT alliance with Orb............WORLD PEACE AGAIN! The beginning of GSD was kinda......stupid. I mean how crappy can the security get on THREE NEW MODELS , WTF was ZAFT thinking, in addition, there wasn't even a freaking auto alarm , the almost dead random had to click the red button.....THERE WASNT EVEN A LOCK ON THE GUNDAMS Quote:
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2013-06-06, 02:41 | Link #7488 |
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Kira did get Heine killed, had Kira not appeared and attacked the Archangel, thus distracting them from their fight, than it's HIGHLY unlikely that Heine would have died as he was easily going toe to toe with Stellar.
Shinn did blame Neo as Neo lied to him, however as far as he knows Neo died at that battle as he never sees Neo again. Shinn also blames, rightly, Kira for killing Stellar since he literally does kill her. So? War isn't fair. Or are you saying those that used Archers against the Spartans were "cheating" as well because they exploited the fact that Spartans thought Archery was for wimps? Hah,that's just your opinion. Good thing it doesn't matter as plenty liked Shinn and many rightly agree that Shinn should have been given more spotlight and he only went down hill hard when Kira appeared and they had to backpedal to make Shinn into a villain for Kira and Athrun to fight. Riiight... Like the Security was any better in SEED when the Gundams were stolen. Or in Gundam Wing with how easily the Wing Zero switched hands and factions before finally ending up with Heero. |
2013-06-06, 03:29 | Link #7489 |
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Wing Zero was first acquired and piloted by Quatre. Then purposefully given to others (such as Trowa, Wu-Fei, Heero, etc). Giving Wing Zero to others to pilot has its own purpose during each event. Security has nothing to do with it when you’re giving the Gundam to someone else on purpose.
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2013-06-06, 04:17 | Link #7490 | |
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So the security in SEED was actually a little better. But even if it was just as bad, it still makes the situation in Destiny worse, as that means they've learned nothing from the past. (But that seems to be a common theme.) Of course, if we think this has all been a plan of Durandal, then it makes more sense. |
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Reading comprehension, champ. Ever heard of it? Try to read Aquaman's response to mine. I was just stating that the propaganda had nothing to do with the Murasames and Archangel not helping Kira against the Minerva, the Compton and Impulse. It's more or less Kira trying to handle everything himself to make sure Cagalli makes it to Orb, so he didn't let her or the others fight. EDIT: Thinking about it. If Cagalli and the Archangel did decide to fight the Compton head on, then I'm sure Talia wouldn't even think about giving Murrue the warning and would be forced to prep the Tannhäuser before the Minverva reaches the Archangel's range. Quote:
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2013-06-06, 10:30 | Link #7492 | |
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There was not a single scene with Shinn even having the smallest hatred or thought toward Neo for Stellar's death...lol. I am just saying it was cowardly plenty hated Shinn and many rightly agree that Shinn had all the spotlight* (He was the main character of GSD , was that not enough spotlight ) Security was better in SEED(ZAFT used actual mobile suits and more than 3 little people to infiltrate the nation, don't forget the fact that heliopolis was a neutral nation so they didn't expect an attack there. In GSD, they were in an actual military faction and 3 little people were able to steal 3 of the best GUNDAMS. The security was definitely alottttt better in the military faction |
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2013-06-06, 11:57 | Link #7494 | |
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No reason to think that. She also offered to spare Kira if he stood down and he was actively fighting against them. |
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2013-06-06, 13:11 | Link #7495 | ||
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wasn't Shinn whole purpose at the beginning to be a "love to hate' character, when you think about Kamille he was kinda unlikable at the beginning of Zeta then started to develop into the character he ended up as. with Kira introduction as a main lead Shinn never got that chance to develop, after all Kira and like 3 more recap episodes with recaps in real episodes not much time for little Shinn. Shinn has always been the main character, no one i think argues that its just lime light left him for a more popular characters Kira, Athrun, and Lacus. which is sad really i always thought the Destiny cast looked way more interesting than the Seed cast. Quote:
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2013-06-06, 14:20 | Link #7496 | ||
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Shinn DID despise Neo, for bringing Stella into the war, however you do not see him raging about it because he was under the assumption that Neo kept his promise to him after he handed Stella back, as such he mostly let it go after the promise was made. However this was shattered later in Berlin after Stella was revealed to be the Destroy's pilot. Of course the aftermath of the battle for Shinn was Kira killing her, and Neo most likely dead Shinn's tactics were NOT cowardly, it was SMART. If you did not notice he had a flawless victory as everything went as planned (asides getting hit from the tanhauser shot explosion) He did NOT have all the spotlight, Kira saw to that after he and AA started their little interventions, following Athrun's defect most of the screen time then went to the AA/Orb/Lacus and co., The only time we get to see the Minervas crew in their own spotlight again was in their little operation against Djibril on the moon prior to the final battle Quote:
I sorta disagree on the Destiny cast though (the new characters), only Shinn stood out to me with full potential to be a great character like Kamille. |
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2013-06-06, 15:36 | Link #7497 |
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Well since it was always the plan to have Shinn become the fallen hero that couldn't let go of his hate or realize Durandal was using him, then it makes sense that he'd go out of the limelight once that was made clear. And once Shinn made it clear that he wasn't interested in Athrun's "weak" Clyne Faction morals and accepted Durandal's Logos plan there was no real need to keep him in the limelight when he wasn't the hero anymore.
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2013-06-06, 17:09 | Link #7498 | |
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Personally, I found the ZETA trilogies movies to be far more comprehensible and Kamille more likable. Watching Zeta, I found Fa Yuiry to be so dedicated to him to the point where I think she should be nominated for sainthood. - Tak
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2013-06-06, 19:58 | Link #7499 | |
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Rewatch the episodes again omgggg, Shinn despised the people who made Stella as an Extended(AA), he didn't even know who Neo was exactly until they met at the exchange point. My point was that Shinn didn't even blame Neo a single bit for Stellar's death when he obviously let her back into battle which breaks the promise.(There was a scene when Shinn was trying to stop the Destroy when he didn't know Stellar was inside it and Neo came up to him and said "Stop, Stellar is inside," and Shinn just becomes surprised looking at the cockpit and doesn't even get a LITTLE TINY mad at Neo or bother to ask something along the lines, "WHY THE FCK DIDNT U KEEP UR PROMISE," like he usually does and just has his eyes in shock and fear. Its just like how everyone is saying it was Kira's fault for Heine's death because he interfered in the battle even though Stellar directly killed Heine, same concept here, Its Neo's fault for Stellar's death because he let her into battle when he wasn't supposed to even though Kira directly killed her. Shinn blamed Kira for Heine's death when he directly saw that Gaia was the one that killed Heine (So did Athrun , but not as much), thats why I say his thinking is retarded. Not to mention the fact that Kira had his reasons to kill Stellar because she was killing the civilians and burning down their cities when Stellar's reason to kill Heine was, "HES IN THE FKING WAY." |
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