2008-04-12, 04:27 | Link #301 | ||
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PS Skyfall, I'm pretty impressed at your ability to pick up clues and estimate likely scenarios. However, there's one rather big clue that will become glaringly obvious in retrospect (although it'll take the story a while to get that far). I wonder if you can spot it in advance, just from seeing ep 1? (Since you seem to enjoy speculating in advance, think of it as a challenge) |
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2008-04-12, 04:59 | Link #302 | ||
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I can see where you feel that he is a misunderstood character, though I just can't help but think that he isn't all right in his own mind. In other words, I want expect to see an evil side of him
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2008-04-12, 05:33 | Link #303 |
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This is rather frustrating for me. I am afraid to contribute to this thread cause I've read the manga.
I'm just so surprised at how much you guys have speculated from one episode. keep it up, it's very interesting.
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2008-04-12, 06:25 | Link #304 | |
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2008-04-12, 08:09 | Link #306 | ||
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Which now begs the question, why the heck is a vampire being so nice to a human? Either Yuuki is not really a human like what Skyfall says, and/or Yuuki already has ties with Kaname before the attack. Now rewatching the episode, I do find it quite odd that they put emphasis on her not remembering things before she was 5. At first I thought nothing of it, since who remembers events before they were five? But them actually pointing that out... it's like they're saying something did happen to Yuuki's memories. Maybe she forgot her memories from a shocking incident, maybe perhaps her parent's death? Wouldn't be the first time such a thing happened, and considering her parents are nowhere to be seen.... So what I theorize is that Yuuki's parents are actually vampire hunters, and her parents died due to a vampire attack. Maybe Yuuki saved Kaname from her parents before by hiding him or whatever, with all the time after, they're still meeting each other and deepening their friendship. Now that the vampire attack killed her parents (from where she lost her memories), Kaname pays back the favour by saving her, and giving her to Cross. Which in turn begs the question, how the heck does Kaname know Cross, who is presumably human? Why is Cross so nice to vampires? AAARRRRGGHHHH, too much questions, not enoguh answers... Quote:
Now wouldn't that be soap opera-ish? Yuuki and Kaname has been in love with each all this time, only to 'find out' they're siblings. I highly doubt they're gonna put such a cliched twist, but hey, anything can happen in shoujo. And if the off chance that they're siblings, I hope the mangaka/director of the anime don't back out and say they weren't related by blood after all, like so many anime/manga stories I've seen. After all, isn't love suppose to transcend everything, including blood? (pardon the pun ) But really, I'm just hoping for greater drama in the case they pull such a cliched twist.
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2008-04-12, 09:02 | Link #307 |
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I kinda wish I didn't read the first twenty chapters of the manga (as well as knowing what happens in the mid-late thirties) so I could join in this fun discussion
At first I was rather impressed they were able to separate their fav character from the pairing they think should happen but on second thought what you said is more than likely the case |
2008-04-12, 09:05 | Link #308 |
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Interesting. I think this ep had a few flaws, but there a few interesting things about it. The comedy was a big problem. I don't mind comic relief to break up the heavy mood, but it does need to actually be funny, which this lacked. The soundtrack was good, but I thought they laid the tunes on a bit thick and the music became a bit overbearing at times (minor criticism, but, like most things, music works best when it's subtle). The most interesting thing about this for me is the whole segregation thing, and the way they've set up Yuuki and Zero to be walking embodiments for the arguments both for and against disbanding the segregation between humans and vampires. There's this irony in that the events of this episode that Yuuki being almost attacked by the two vampires the minute her blood caused their animal instincts to take over pretty much takes away all the weight to her argument, and an even bigger irony that Zero himself is a vampire living as/with humans despite what he thinks of them. It's an interesting set up, and I almost hope that the segregation issue sits at the middle of the this entire series... or, at the very least, gets a good deal of attention. I like the female lead. Yuuki is both idealistic and strong. She might be a tad naive, but she has her philosophies and is willing to defend them. I really like Horie Yui's portrayal of her. I've been watching anime for almost six years now, and if there's one thing that hasn't changed in that time, it's my admiration of Horie Yui. I'm not going to say that I'm enthusiastic about this anime, since the first episode didn't really grab me as it evidently has a number of people around here. I saw both good and bad things about this ep, but there's a good amount of stuff that they can make of the set up, and the premise has a fair amount of uniqueness for something that's in the vampire genre (vampire anime have this incredible knack of not achieving their full potential). This is a "could be good, but we'll see" anime for me. Edit: I forgot to mention, one of the other minor criticisms I have is that they were too quick to reveal that Zero was a vampire. I think they needed to build that up over a couple more episodes if they wanted to play it as a big impact plot twist. As it stands, my reaction to it was "hmmm... didn't see that coming" as opposed to jaw-on-the-ground ZOMG SHOCK as I suspect they were aiming for.
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2008-04-12, 09:46 | Link #309 | |
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Just a quick reminder (though the manga readers have been really good so far ~bows~) do not post any manga related spoilers in this thread to neither confirm nor deny of of the speculation going on. Let's not ruin it for them.
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2008-04-12, 10:44 | Link #311 |
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Did you forget that the staff sparked when it hit the vamp's hand? A hard blow from the staff in the right body area would have possibly stunned him. Plus it's likely made of a material that vampires with their superior strength would find hard to break. Don't underestimate the power a fighter skilled in fighting with a quarterstaff. They can be very dangerous even without this staff's shock power. (Little John of Robin Hood lore was feared because of his quarterstaff skills not his archery skills.) Whether Yuki is a skilled quarterstaff fighter remains to be seen.
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What i am getting at is - there should be no reason for a vampire like Kaname to be attracted to the blood of another vampire. What would this mean and how it would be relevant i can't imagine though. And as i said - my vampire lore is somewhat rusty, and there is a high chance it was done just to earn style points, so chances are i just said some nonsense Other than this can't really think of anything. Quote:
As for how Kaname knows Cross ... we know that Kaname is a pure blooded vampire, and the pills they seem to be taking in the school instead of blood is something "enforced" by pure bloods so they wouldn't need to hunt on humans. Seeing that Cross is aiming for peaceful coexistion between Humans and Vampires and the "experiment" inspired by pure blood vampires takes place in his school, i wouldn't be surprised if he knows Kaname, seeing the later is a pure blood. The setup was probably planned a good time in advance, so chances are the two knew each other ever since the project started (who knows when that was), quite possibly even a good while before that. [crackshot theory] Now what would be the motivation of Cross i don't know ... seeing the "anti-vampire" weaponry Yuuki and Zero has been provided with, i assume he has some ties with some agency specializing in dealing with Vampires, (to put it bluntly - vampire hunters), or might have been one himself (His "serious" look he lets slip once in a while looks pretty sharp, opposite to his usual silly behavior). Not necessarily a "hunter" himself, just affiliated with such organization. (All this provided them having such weapons actually is something significant. If its not, might as well throw this in to the bin) We can probably picture a number of cases and/or life-changing experiences that would make him opt for peace between humans and vampires. Might have as well been a cliche one like falling in love with vampire and it obviously not working out. (More or less similar to Yuuki's situation now ?... which might as well be his motivation if he truly cares for Yuuki - to have her find happiness where he failed). [/crackshot]
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2008-04-12, 12:25 | Link #313 |
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just watched episode 1 and i must say that im impressed.
and the OP's quite catchy, in fact i listened it for about 15 consecutive times while browsing the manga. it look very promising, im sure to follow this one till the end. |
2008-04-12, 13:36 | Link #315 | |
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I'm glad I didn't read the manga because I seriously am enjoying the pace of this anime. I think someone even mentioned here about Yuuki being a doll or a replacement for someone. Too lazy to quote. Judging from the prologue, I don't think it's so farfetched considering we were only given the first episode. Spoiler:
If you ask me, the one who wins the love war is always the more emo person. So I don't think this is a battle of who's the better man, it comes down to who's the more emo lol I don't really care who I want Yuuki to end up with since I can't decide which guy is my fave. All I know is that I love Zero's VA. I can't wait for episode 2 already. I'll have more to speculate once I see more. |
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And i would disagree with the above comment of Kaname using her as any sort of a "tool". It isn't completely out of the question, but i do find it unlikely. At least i find it hard to imagine any motives for the moment (that might be prone to change) . He is a pure blood vampire, ruling out any "searching for power" or anything to that extent. He only seems to be there as part of the blood replacement pill "project". And its not like they even see each other on daily basis it seems, besides passing at the gates in mornings. Kaname's comment to his friend (Ichijo ) after running in to Yuuki at night when the later commented there aren't any girls like her in Night Class? "In these eyes that have become accustomed to darkness ... its really bright". His "Yuuki..." when he watched her leave at the end of ep, which sounded full of longing to me? No, for the moment i don't think he has any ulterior motives regarding her (even though he might know about her missing past). I think people might think there is something going on because of his vampire demeanor, but that is not exactly something he can help with, nor a reason to hold him suspicious. Thats not to say he is free of suspicion, just that thus far i see no reason to suspect him of anything "bad".
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I am going with "innocent until proven guilty" here. He may well be up to something, but he doesn't need to be. First ep didn't give us any hints he might be up to something "bad" as far as Yuuki is concerned, and i can't really picture what he could gain from her. It is possible, but it doesn't have to be. Though i suppose more light on the matter will be shed when we learn about Yuuki's lost memory and about what she really might be ... and i still stand by the point she is not a normal human, but either an artificial one or a vampire (sealed) herself. Quote:
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I do think Zero might have some feelings for her, but i doubt he has much chance of getting those returned. He and Yuuki are on opposite ends of spectrum here as well - Zero hates vampires inside out, while Yuuki fully believes humans can live together with them. (Speaking of which, i just had a thought - if my speculation about her possibly being a sealed vampire is true, i smell a lot of drama and emo from Zero's end ) I can always be wrong though, but for the moment (which, admittedly, is not much to go by) thats how i see the romance situation.
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