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zalas · 2003-12-13, 03:44

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Originally Posted by Maveric

Alright. I've seen the anime and really liked it. I want to get the manga some day, but since I don't have access to Japanese manga, I'll just wait until a potential second release by TP with (hopefully) fixed dialogue.

I seriously think Tokyopop must not care enough, and hence wouldn't re-release a new one. I mean, then they're admitting they did wrong, whereas now, the people who don't know about this won't notice.

Maveric · 2003-12-13, 07:04

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Originally Posted by zalas

I seriously think Tokyopop must not care enough, and hence wouldn't re-release a new one. I mean, then they're admitting they did wrong, whereas now, the people who don't know about this won't notice.

Why not? Viz has been re-releasing Ranma, and the text on the copywrite page reads "New and adapted artwork and text (c)2003" meaning that they took out another copywrite on the material. I'll bet that there are less editing mistakes in this issue of the manga than there were in the first edition printed in 1993.

Muraki · 2003-12-13, 11:20

Viz is probably only re-releasing Ranma b/c its so popular among American readers, they might hope to make a profit or something like that whereas Kare Kano isn't that well known so Tokyopop might consider re-relaeasing it unprofitable...

Gaara11 · 2003-12-13, 13:24

I've been following the releases of KareKano by TokyoPop and I really like it. As long as I understand what's going on that's fine w/ me. Plus, I saw the anime and watched it in dub by the way so I could read the freakin' texts on the screen. The dub wasn't bad...you'll get use to it.^_^

kannakills · 2003-12-15, 15:24

So does anyone have any concrete examples? I've never looked at the Kare Kano version by TP myself. Did they change the storyline or left out essential details?

kannakills · 2003-12-16, 15:41

Um, nevermind. I understand now. I walked into Barnes and Nobles, and they just put up another bookshelf full of manga (salivates). I picked up kare Kano to read- and now I see how they butchered it :*( And the "voices" of the characters don't seem to fit at all.

snoopy · 2003-12-16, 17:17

See? It's not easily put into specifics, 'cause it'd just get too long. Saying they molested it is simply easier and still gets the point across.

Yuuko_Hajiwara · 2003-12-20, 15:27

So I don't understand, how did TP make it so bad in the translation? What did they do? I've never read a copy of the TP Kare Kano, but I own a copy of the japanese, which thoug it's sometimes hard to translate, is really cute, and as far as I can tell *pretty* close to the anime. I thought the anime was really good too. The only part I didn't like, as someone mentioned before, was the way they constantly had to recap everything that ever happened before.... I think they spent a whole episode recapping everything that had happened since the beginning... it's a shame that the anime had to end that way, I would have loved to see more.

snoopy · 2003-12-20, 15:54

The only real difficulty in translating KareKano is getting the subtly of the original in the english version. Everything else is pretty much common sense and shouldn't take a rocket scientist to get it right. But TP screwed up even the most basic of expressions, changed the character's personalities. To put it simply, they messed with everything that made KareKano good. Please just take my word for it, 'cause if you buy the english version to see for yourself, it'll simply increase their sales and make them think it's all right to screw with things.

Yuuko_Hajiwara · 2003-12-20, 16:35

Oh I don't plan on buying it, if anything I'll buy more of the original japanese series, but I was just curious as to how they'd changed it... sounds pretty bad... Usually though I thought most TP translations were pretty good. I don't have much to compare to, but I've read Marmalade Boy and Mars, as well as Kodocha. I've seen some of Kodocha but I liked the manga much better because it moved a lot faster and was a bit more serious, though it still has the adorable, characteristically Sana funny bits as well.

Musashi_X · 2003-12-20, 18:35

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Originally Posted by snoopy

The only real difficulty in translating KareKano is getting the subtly of the original in the english version. Everything else is pretty much common sense and shouldn't take a rocket scientist to get it right. But TP screwed up even the most basic of expressions, changed the character's personalities. To put it simply, they messed with everything that made KareKano good. Please just take my word for it, 'cause if you buy the english version to see for yourself, it'll simply increase their sales and make them think it's all right to screw with things.

Snoopycool! Hey this guy is a celebrity. It was his website where I read my first online manga. Flame of Recca when it wasn't available for download I think it was. 1000 pop-ups for a mexican business would pop up every page you turned! That snoopy!!! And then it was removed before I was finished reading it all. That snoopy!!!! Now my favorate manga besides HunterXHunter is Hajime no Ippo and I would love to complain about him being slow with putting up new chapters, but I won't because translating Japanese is a bitch!(at least for me) and people have lives

I am scared to ask snoopy for a website or something where I could buy the back volumes of HNI in japanese, [hnt,hnt] because I have noticed in his updates he frequently goes ballistic on the smallest things. Ha!. It's actually hilarious. I can only find the damn Chinese language manga of HNI and I can only read Japanese!. I am not sure what the hell this post is about...hmm. His website is good check it out snoopycool.com. Has anyone seen the Ninja Scroll H.S series? I only saw a few episodes while I lived in the USA on DVD and it was cancelled(I think). I remember Musashi was in it, and Jubei. They were at a grave and it was a really cool shot. If a person knows of a place to Bittorrent that, please email me. miyamoto_musashi_x@yahoo.com Bye '*.*'

snoopy · 2003-12-20, 20:05

... freaky. Anyway, sorry for dropping off topic, mods, but I'll just go ahead and point musashi to http://www.aclimatesolution.com for good prices on used volumes of Ippo.

htpcfan · 2003-12-30, 03:51

I can't seem to find any info about it on line either in English or Chinese, and my Japanese is too poor to competently read through all the fan posts.

I'm up to the manga 16 release in Chinese, and I was just curious to see how many more comics are there in Japanese. If you can gimme some spoiler summaries that'll be much appreciated too~ sniff~

In case the manga numbers don't correlate directly, here's what happened in Chinese manga 16:

Spoiler:

zalas · 2003-12-30, 13:32

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Originally Posted by htpcfan

I can't seem to find any info about it on line either in English or Chinese, and my Japanese is too poor to competently read through all the fan posts.

I'm up to the manga 16 release in Chinese, and I was just curious to see how many more comics are there in Japanese. If you can gimme some spoiler summaries that'll be much appreciated too~ sniff~

According to amazon, vol 17 is out in Japan (crap, need to get that >_<;

. And it's probably still running in LaLa. And I know the Chinese volumes should correspond to the Japanese volumes, (at least the Taiwan version does, haven't really seen any manga in which Japanese and Chinese volumes don't coincide)

LynnieS · 2003-12-30, 18:15

Yes, #17 is now out and should also be available from a Japanese bookstore that receives stuff via airmail. Regular ship freight books should be out in a few weeks, I think.

htpcfan · 2003-12-31, 02:28

Arigato~ I'm going to visit my local import bookstore and pick it up then! :-D

PartyOverHere · 2004-02-04, 19:16

Hi, just a quick question about licensed manga from tokyopop. I want to buy Kare kano, the manga, because I just finished watching kare kano the anime and the ending was pretty abrupt. Well my question is how accurate are the translations from tokyopop? I've never actually bought manga thats been lisenced in the US because all my manga books are from korea. They only cost like 2-3 bucks cause it's made out of cheaper paper. I'm asking because I don't like to read manga or watch anime that been changed by the people who licensed them.

oh also, doesn't anyone know if the manga is still going on in Japan?

Thanks

TronDD · 2004-02-04, 19:27

I have read on this board that they horribly messed with KareKano. If you search for it, you'll see it mentioned in a few threads.

Some people also say they didn't notice any problems. I guess if you can read the Japanene version and the English, you'd be able to tell for sure.

babbito2k · 2004-02-04, 19:27

Can't answer for the Tokyopop translations, haven't seen them. I am pretty sure the manga is still running. I wanted to mention that as far as the end of the anime, vol. 9 is the one that covers the festival (the play is in there), there is more on Sakura and Takefumi and so on.

edit: name of thread should be "Kare Kano question." Asking about licensed manga is fine as long as the question is not "where can I download scans."

TechnoMage · 2004-02-04, 19:28

To the best of my knowledge, yes, the manga is still being released in Japan.

As for the quality of TokyoPop's translations, I've yet to find anything that bad with them. Though, someone whom can actually compare TP's translation with the actual Japanese volumes would most likely be able to provide better information on this.

2003-12-30, 03:51	Link #33
htpcfan L1: Lazy Puppy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Stanford, CA	how many manga eps of Kare Kano are there? I can't seem to find any info about it on line either in English or Chinese, and my Japanese is too poor to competently read through all the fan posts. I'm up to the manga 16 release in Chinese, and I was just curious to see how many more comics are there in Japanese. If you can gimme some spoiler summaries that'll be much appreciated too~ sniff~ In case the manga numbers don't correlate directly, here's what happened in Chinese manga 16: Spoiler: Arima gets sent to the hospital with his hand wound, and finally makes up with Yukino. The whole "Real Mom vs Arima" thing goes on and is partially resolved when the Stepmom defends Arima against his Mom. Then there's the beginning of the next storyline it seems, where the story may go to Asaba and his pursuit for "the One girl" for him.

2004-02-04, 19:16	Link #37
PartyOverHere Time To Party Join Date: Jun 2003	licensed manga question Hi, just a quick question about licensed manga from tokyopop. I want to buy Kare kano, the manga, because I just finished watching kare kano the anime and the ending was pretty abrupt. Well my question is how accurate are the translations from tokyopop? I've never actually bought manga thats been lisenced in the US because all my manga books are from korea. They only cost like 2-3 bucks cause it's made out of cheaper paper. I'm asking because I don't like to read manga or watch anime that been changed by the people who licensed them. oh also, doesn't anyone know if the manga is still going on in Japan? Thanks

2004-02-04, 19:27	Link #39
babbito2k annoying white bat Join Date: Jan 2004	Can't answer for the Tokyopop translations, haven't seen them. I am pretty sure the manga is still running. I wanted to mention that as far as the end of the anime, vol. 9 is the one that covers the festival (the play is in there), there is more on Sakura and Takefumi and so on. edit: name of thread should be "Kare Kano question." Asking about licensed manga is fine as long as the question is not "where can I download scans." Last edited by babbito2k; 2004-02-04 at 20:22.

2003-12-13, 11:20	Link #23
Muraki Dreamer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Drifting in an endless sea... Age: 33	Viz is probably only re-releasing Ranma b/c its so popular among American readers, they might hope to make a profit or something like that whereas Kare Kano isn't that well known so Tokyopop might consider re-relaeasing it unprofitable...

2003-12-13, 13:24	Link #24
Gaara11 ~ Got Love? ~ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 45	I've been following the releases of KareKano by TokyoPop and I really like it. As long as I understand what's going on that's fine w/ me. Plus, I saw the anime and watched it in dub by the way so I could read the freakin' texts on the screen. The dub wasn't bad...you'll get use to it.^_^

2003-12-15, 15:24	Link #25
kannakills Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	So does anyone have any concrete examples? I've never looked at the Kare Kano version by TP myself. Did they change the storyline or left out essential details?

2003-12-16, 15:41	Link #26
kannakills Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003	Um, nevermind. I understand now. I walked into Barnes and Nobles, and they just put up another bookshelf full of manga (salivates). I picked up kare Kano to read- and now I see how they butchered it :*( And the "voices" of the characters don't seem to fit at all.

2003-12-16, 17:17	Link #27
snoopy SnoopyCool.com Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 41	See? It's not easily put into specifics, 'cause it'd just get too long. Saying they molested it is simply easier and still gets the point across.

2003-12-20, 15:27	Link #28
Yuuko_Hajiwara Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Europe Age: 37	So I don't understand, how did TP make it so bad in the translation? What did they do? I've never read a copy of the TP Kare Kano, but I own a copy of the japanese, which thoug it's sometimes hard to translate, is really cute, and as far as I can tell pretty close to the anime. I thought the anime was really good too. The only part I didn't like, as someone mentioned before, was the way they constantly had to recap everything that ever happened before.... I think they spent a whole episode recapping everything that had happened since the beginning... it's a shame that the anime had to end that way, I would have loved to see more.

2003-12-20, 15:54	Link #29
snoopy SnoopyCool.com Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 41	The only real difficulty in translating KareKano is getting the subtly of the original in the english version. Everything else is pretty much common sense and shouldn't take a rocket scientist to get it right. But TP screwed up even the most basic of expressions, changed the character's personalities. To put it simply, they messed with everything that made KareKano good. Please just take my word for it, 'cause if you buy the english version to see for yourself, it'll simply increase their sales and make them think it's all right to screw with things.

2003-12-20, 16:35	Link #30
Yuuko_Hajiwara Inactive Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Europe Age: 37	Oh I don't plan on buying it, if anything I'll buy more of the original japanese series, but I was just curious as to how they'd changed it... sounds pretty bad... Usually though I thought most TP translations were pretty good. I don't have much to compare to, but I've read Marmalade Boy and Mars, as well as Kodocha. I've seen some of Kodocha but I liked the manga much better because it moved a lot faster and was a bit more serious, though it still has the adorable, characteristically Sana funny bits as well.

2003-12-20, 20:05	Link #32
snoopy SnoopyCool.com Join Date: Jun 2003 Age: 41	... freaky. Anyway, sorry for dropping off topic, mods, but I'll just go ahead and point musashi to http://www.aclimatesolution.com for good prices on used volumes of Ippo.

2003-12-30, 18:15	Link #35
LynnieS Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: China	Yes, #17 is now out and should also be available from a Japanese bookstore that receives stuff via airmail. Regular ship freight books should be out in a few weeks, I think.

2003-12-31, 02:28	Link #36
htpcfan L1: Lazy Puppy Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Stanford, CA	Arigato~ I'm going to visit my local import bookstore and pick it up then! :-D

2004-02-04, 19:27	Link #38
TronDD Team the box! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Badside	I have read on this board that they horribly messed with KareKano. If you search for it, you'll see it mentioned in a few threads. Some people also say they didn't notice any problems. I guess if you can read the Japanene version and the English, you'd be able to tell for sure.

2004-02-04, 19:28	Link #40
TechnoMage Shoujo-Anime Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Age: 43	To the best of my knowledge, yes, the manga is still being released in Japan. As for the quality of TokyoPop's translations, I've yet to find anything that bad with them. Though, someone whom can actually compare TP's translation with the actual Japanese volumes would most likely be able to provide better information on this.