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It's a gradual process (Amuro starts barely being able to defend himself against Char's Zaku) and nothing good comes without hard work and sacrifice and this is something I felt Gundam showed, whereas K-On does not; Opting instead to have Yui go from zero to guitar goddess in the span of a single episode. This just strikes me as completely unrealistic and again something I would not want to teach my children. I'm sorry, but no matter how much natural talent you have, you still need to practice in order to master your craft. I doubt the likes of Jimmy Page would tell you that he got where he was with his guitar playing by sitting around and eating cake. |
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2011-09-01, 23:22 | Link #562 |
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I edited out the Gundam reference afterwards, as I thought the analogy wasn't that good of one to make on second-thought.
Alas, I didn't edit it out quickly enough it seems. So I'm going to let the Gundam discussion go. K-On shows the value of real friendship, in my opinion. K-On's not perfect, but I think that it has some value. Other shows can be used to demonstrate the value of hard work.
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2011-09-01, 23:26 | Link #563 |
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I would point to the several times K-On emphisized studying and the problems with not studying in school (Yui would not be able to be in hte club if she failed, and they could not go to the same university if they did not pass the entrance exams).
Also as for them practising...that is sort of why Azusa is there. She's a little more forceful on getting them to practise than Mio was. There is also, especially in the second half of the second season, a theme of enjoying the time you have in high school, so you don't miss it. Being with friends and the like. Things that become harder for some afterward due to college, work, or families. I do hope they get to a third season, because there seem to be more about really learning music in the renewed high school part, and then maybe learning about how to deal wih real life in the college part (though the college part's theme is still a little unclear)
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2011-09-01, 23:41 | Link #564 | ||
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I suppose K-On shows the value of friendship, but the lack of showcasing the merits of hard work and the implications it makes about learning to play an instrument kind of negates the value of that in my eyes and makes it so I'd rather show my kid something else....like say.... er Gundam, which also shows the value of friendship and comraderie. Of course K-On could still probably be shown to kids that are really young (3-6) where they probably won't understand it's lack of strong values anyway. Quote:
Regarding the enjoying time at high school thing. I think it's important, but I also think K-On sugar coats the concept. Again as far as I'm concerned K-On showcases a highly idealistic high school experience where nothing bad ever happens to anybody....ever. I have a very hard time subscribing to the idea that kids could learn anything of value from it. Real life and K-On life just don't mix well in that regard. |
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2011-09-02, 00:17 | Link #569 | ||
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And nah, the biggest tragedy of the show was Sanae's bread. More seriously, what happened at the end is something that I'll never let this series live down no matter how much of a Clannad fanatic I am.
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2011-09-02, 00:45 | Link #570 |
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I think Clannad's message is actually to value those around you, but it got lost in the VN to anime translation.
In the game, the miracle is only possible when you've collected all the lights (which you can see in the anime, BTW). You do this by completing routes - hence, each light you collect represents someone valuable to Tomoya. Only when he values all of them does he have his happy ending. Still a Deus Ex Machina, but I suspect it feels earned in the game because of the work you had to put in. The one big flaw I can see in Clannad as an adaptation is that Kyoto never developed a mechanism for making the symbolism of the lights clear. Otherwise its an exemplary adaptation, avoiding some of the pitfalls I've seen other VN adaptations fall play to.
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2011-09-02, 09:20 | Link #572 | |
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The deus ex machina is imo consistent with the fixing-problems-theme shown in the rest of the series, just taken to the next level. For me the Ushio arc's more intense drama foreshaded a more spectacular solution rather than a change in tone. |
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2011-09-02, 09:41 | Link #573 |
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Now that is one stance I can agree with.
On the topic of Clannad's ending... Yeah, while I absolutely adore the show (it's my all-time favourite anime, in fact) I must admit that it really could have ended at After Story episode 19 and probably been stronger for it. That last bit of drama near the end felt extremely unnecessary and mean, and while I do think the ending we got was probably the best we reasonably could have given the circumstances the series had written itself into by that point... it only really worked because the alternative would have been ungodly horrible. That being said, I can't criticize the ending we got too much... Because it gave us that oh-so-beautiful Chiisana Tenohira sequence, which was probably my second favourite moment in the show after the ending of AS episode 18.
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2011-09-02, 11:26 | Link #575 | |
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In any case, using cartoons to teach ones kids about life probably isn't the best parenting method. Make sure they understand cartoons aren't real, then let them watch whatever cartoons shows they like as long as it's age appropriate, that's my view. Edit: Please disregard everything I've said in this post, I was being temporarily stupid. I'd delete it, except I don't feel right erasing something I said just because it causes me to feel embarassed later. Last edited by Goggen; 2011-09-02 at 13:40. Reason: Do I need a reason? |
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2011-09-02, 12:02 | Link #576 |
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Ranting for more Kyo-Ani Action-Dramedies and Captain America.
And while I'm at it, Kyoani.
You fellas demonstrated that you are SO good at making works of the Action-Genre with Fullmetal Panic Fumofu and Fullmetal Panic The Second Raid. Why not make more action-dramedies? Oh by all means, keep the sentimental comedies coming (and never stop, cos you're so good at making them), but what I wouldn't kill to see a "Captain America" Anime made by you fellas!! Now, before you laugh me off the court, obseve the recent slew of Madhouse-Produced American TV show turne anime like X-Men, Wolverine, Blade and even Supernatural. They all have one thing in common that Mahouse does so depressingly well: Dark and Cynical. The one thing that makes the Captain America franchise stand out is its unabashed, heartwarmingly sentimental idealism, which would be right at home with the tone of Kyo-Ani's Air/Kanon/Clannad/K-ON/Even Haruhi unvierse. And if Kyo-Ani's proficiency in handling the aforementioned sentimentalism is combined with their mastery of high-octane action (Seen in their-take on the Fullmetal Panic franchise), we'll have a classic in the making. And keep those golden sunsets coming, Kyoani, cos you do it FAR better than Michale Bay ever will.
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2011-09-02, 12:45 | Link #578 |
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Judging by the amount of action oriented animation and 3D animation they are using in Nichijou, KyoAni is up to something. it can't all be for the K-On movie...since K-On isn't an action type anything (unless they go all out for a concert). So that suggests they have something in the works that will require these demostrated skills.
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I heard KyoAni is a fan of FMP though, so we should see more eventually when they decide they are in the financial position to make a series that will barely break even. |
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2011-09-02, 12:53 | Link #580 | |
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No I wouldn't intend to have a complete idiot for a kid. In fact the way things would be likely to turn out my kid would probably be very unlikely to even have an interest in K-On! barring it being a girl. Also who said anything about teaching my kids through cartoons. I just don't want to run the risk of their supplemental entertainment running contrary to the values I would want to instill in my kid as early in life as possible to prepare him for a world I see as becoming increasingly cynical and exploitative of children and good will in general. I'm one of those people that likes to be prepared, and that would also have to mean taking into consideration every possible influence there is out there that would try to steer my kid towards the consumer hegemony and dumb them down. If that would mean that K-On has no place in my household until a certain point than so be it. Also please don't tell me how I should raise my future children if I have any, and that goes for anybody that is thinking of doing the same thing. It's quite obnoxious and more than a little prying. I think we're done here. |
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