Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[Lucarion]

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

Your imagination scares me sometimes....

"Nee-sama! No fair, I'm his fiancee, get away from Koichi-kun!"

"Fufu, dame~~"

".....*sigh*"

[BW95]

Originally Posted by Lucarion

Better mark March 10 on my calendar.

Due to the time zone difference, it'll be up by March 9. At least where I am.

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Lucarion

For Pampz. I have a couple of Erika ideas...which depending on how you see things you may or may not like:

1) Erika will stand as Tatsuya's equal in the end...but as his eternal nemesis. I don't know, but keeping up with the rpg ideas the story seems to subtly incorporate, Erika might just be the "yuusha" who stands up against the "maou" that is Tatsuya. I mean she's got the background and personality, I think it's a possible direction for her. Maybe one day Tatsuya will do something that offends her sensibilities? Or maybe one day she'll come to see Tatsuya as a threat that must be put down--regardless of her feelings for him?

2)Erika being the Durga parallel. I still subscribe to the Miyuki being the greater Shakti idea and I believe she's also analogous to Durga as well as Parvati, but since Kali has her own character in Lina , maybe Durga will get her own? Or maybe she already has one...in Erika. I mean Erika's a badass swordslady...Durga's a warrior goddess. (Though aside from that I have little to connect them to each other) If she is Durga, then she has just as much of a chance of ending up with Tatsuya as Miyuki or Lina...or ending up in a kind of harem set-up, with her and Lina simply deferring to Miyuki as wife #1.


But again, this is all just speculation and fanciful ideas. I'm still cheering for the Only Miyuki End.

1) Well thats a possibilities but; Iam pretty sure it will end up as Maoyu;Tatsuya-kun become mine=Erika;I refused=Miyuki.

2) Well I think Kali is much better fits for her if you think about scenario one.

Well good luck with that; may the best girl win

[XFire]

Originally Posted by Lucarion

Just a thought^^ I know it's far fetched, but sometimes I imagine the three of them by Elder Kudou's place as kids and acting all friendly and cute. Maybe, rather than tragic harem "aborted" harem would be the better term to describe this idea?


For Pampz. I have a couple of Erika ideas...which depending on how you see things you may or may not like:

1) Erika will stand as Tatsuya's equal in the end...but as his eternal nemesis. I don't know, but keeping up with the rpg ideas the story seems to subtly incorporate, Erika might just be the "yuusha" who stands up against the "maou" that is Tatsuya. I mean she's got the background and personality, I think it's a possible direction for her. Maybe one day Tatsuya will do something that offends her sensibilities? Or maybe one day she'll come to see Tatsuya as a threat that must be put down--regardless of her feelings for him?

2)Erika being the Durga parallel. I still subscribe to the Miyuki being the greater Shakti idea and I believe she's also analogous to Durga as well as Parvati, but since Kali has her own character in Lina , maybe Durga will get her own? Or maybe she already has one...in Erika. I mean Erika's a badass swordslady...Durga's a warrior goddess. (Though aside from that I have little to connect them to each other) If she is Durga, then she has just as much of a chance of ending up with Tatsuya as Miyuki or Lina...or ending up in a kind of harem set-up, with her and Lina simply deferring to Miyuki as wife #1.


But again, this is all just speculation and fanciful ideas. I'm still cheering for the Only Miyuki End.

Okay, completely separate from all shipping (Mayumi ftw!!) but how exactly could Erica ever stand as Tatsuya's equal? I doubt she could even beat Miyuki (though that's a bit unfair since Miyuki's magic is a perfect counter for Erica's) and Miyuki can't touch Tatsuya.

[TonyC1994]

Originally Posted by anonfr

Yeah.. While I am curious as to what the relationship used to be, I never once considered that.

Originally Posted by Lucarion

"Nee-sama! No fair, I'm his fiancee, get away from Koichi-kun!"

"Fufu, dame~~"

".....*sigh*"

Originally Posted by anonfr

You may not know it, but I'm judging you. My face has judgement alll over it.

Oh what? I get judged but his statement doesn't? No fair...

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by TonyC1994

Oh what? I get judged but his statement doesn't? No fair...

I was judging silently.

I mean, what do you say to that.

I've been judging pamperz most of all though.

[TonyC1994]

Originally Posted by anonfr

I was judging silently.

I mean, what do you say to that.

I've been judging pamperz most of all though.

I think we all have...

[Lucarion]

Originally Posted by XFire

Okay, completely separate from all shipping (Mayumi ftw!!) but how exactly could Erica ever stand as Tatsuya's equal? I doubt she could even beat Miyuki (though that's a bit unfair since Miyuki's magic is a perfect counter for Erica's) and Miyuki can't touch Tatsuya.

She can't. But if her being the "hero" to Tatsuya's "Demon King" gives the Erika shippers more hope...that's good for them...

...and me...because it will make the glorious victory of the Miyuki Empire that much sweeter.

[TonyC1994]

Originally Posted by Lucarion

She can't. But if her being the "hero" to Tatsuya's "Demon King" gives the Erika shippers more hope...that's good for them...

...and me...because it will make the glorious victory of the Miyuki Empire that much sweeter.

"The thousand nations of the Miyuki empire will descend upon you."

Should be the tag line of all Miyuki fans.

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by XFire

Okay, completely separate from all shipping (Mayumi ftw!!) but how exactly could Erica ever stand as Tatsuya's equal? I doubt she could even beat Miyuki (though that's a bit unfair since Miyuki's magic is a perfect counter for Erica's) and Miyuki can't touch Tatsuya.

I'm a Miyuki fan but when it comes to combat, it always a rock-paper-scissor situation....

A battle between Miyuki and Erika is a battle of distance and positioning.

At close range, Erika would win

At long range, Miyuki would win

When it comes to brute power and experience, the advantage goes to Miyuki

When it comes to fighting skills and physical ability, the advantage goes to Erika

Again, in a fight, it is all about positioning and distance.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

I'm a Miyuki fan but when it comes to combat, it always a rock-paper-scissor situation....

A battle between Miyuki and Erika is a battle of distance and positioning.

At close range, Erika would win

At long range, Miyuki would win

When it comes to brute power and experience, the advantage goes to Miyuki

When it comes to fighting skills and physical ability, the advantage goes to Erika

Again, in a fight, it is all about positioning and distance.

Actually, I'm not so sure about that. First of all, Coctyus would instakill, and it activates instantly. Erica has no defense against this, so putting this in play ends the discussion right her.

But ignoring that (while still giving Erica her gravity guillotine sword) I still think compatibility is too far against Erica. Miyuki doesn't have to move to activate her magic, and she specializes in (insert name of magic system that involves stopping movement her) which is why she's so good at Freezing Magic. So she could just stop Erica in place, canceling her magic (and probably killing her with the inertia if the skill had already activated)

Also, if Erica is close enough to use other forms of magic, she's inside Miyuki's Zone Interference. And I guarantee she won't be punching through that. While Erica could just throw her around with Move-system magic.

To be honest, once you analyse their individual abilities, Miyuki almost seems written as Erika's worst possible opponent. Or Erika written as being unable to beat Miyuki.

[Echizen777]

If Tatsuya and Erika are fighting with pure martial skills, Tatsuya would win fairly easily IMO. I mean, he has the level of his master and we know Naotsugu is the strongest swordsman in the world and is in in the top 10 in martial arts.

Naotsugu, Lu Gonghu, Tatsuya, Kokonoe and Mari are the strongest( I would want her to fight Erika one day).

I don't see Erika beating Miyuki either. Being from the 10MC is just an huge advantage, they are on another level, she is better at long range but even at close range Erika would not be able to achieve her, remember Miyuki received some ninjutsu training too, Lina is better at close range too but her Muspelheim was powerful enough to clash with Miyuki for a long time. Miyuki would just cast a spell blindingly fast and freeze her.

The Shiba siblings are on another level compared to their classmates and I believe Mikihiko is the 3rd strongest.
Miyuki VS Mayumi would be more interesting.

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

If Tatsuya and Erika are fighting with pure martial skills, Tatsuya would win fairly easily IMO. I mean, he has the level of his master and we know Naotsugu is the strongest swordsman in the world and is in in the top 10 in martial arts.

Naotsugu, Lu Gonghu, Tatsuya, Kokonoe and Mari are the strongest( I would want her to fight Erika one day).

I don't see Erika beating Miyuki either. Being from the 10MC is just an huge advantage, they are on another level, she is better at long range but even at close range Erika would not be able to achieve her, remember Miyuki received some ninjutsu training too, Lina is better at close range too but her Muspelheim was powerful enough to clash with Miyuki for a long time. Miyuki would just cast a spell blindingly fast and freeze her.

The Shiba siblings are on another level compared to their classmates and I believe Mikihiko is the 3rd strongest.
Miyuki VS Mayumi would be more interesting.

Miyuki vs Mayumi is basically an artillery (Miyuki) vs a sniper (Mayumi).

Miyuki needs to prevent Mayumi getting far from her while Mayumi needs to stray away from Miyuki Area of Attack(which is vast)

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

If Tatsuya and Erika are fighting with pure martial skills, Tatsuya would win fairly easily IMO. I mean, he has the level of his master and we know Naotsugu is the strongest swordsman in the world and is in in the top 10 in martial arts.

Naotsugu, Lu Gonghu, Tatsuya, Kokonoe and Mari are the strongest( I would want her to fight Erika one day).

I dont disagree with your other points but it's already been stated that in pure martial arts Erika is better than Mari. In magical Martial Arts, maybe not so much. But take magic out of it, Mari loses.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

Naotsugu, Lu Gonghu, Tatsuya, Kokonoe and Mari are the strongest( I would want her to fight Erika one day).

Don't forget Kazama and Yanagi too. ( Without Trident, Tatsuya can't win againts them ).

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by hakazee

Don't forget Kazama and Yanagi too. ( Without Trident, Tatsuya can't win againts them ).

In pure Martial Arts? Cause that's what he's talking about. Trident has no place if it's pure Martial Arts

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by XFire

Actually, I'm not so sure about that. First of all, Coctyus would instakill, and it activates instantly. Erica has no defense against this, so putting this in play ends the discussion right her.

But ignoring that (while still giving Erica her gravity guillotine sword) I still think compatibility is too far against Erica. Miyuki doesn't have to move to activate her magic, and she specializes in (insert name of magic system that involves stopping movement her) which is why she's so good at Freezing Magic. So she could just stop Erica in place, canceling her magic (and probably killing her with the inertia if the skill had already activated)

Also, if Erica is close enough to use other forms of magic, she's inside Miyuki's Zone Interference. And I guarantee she won't be punching through that. While Erica could just throw her around with Move-system magic.

To be honest, once you analyse their individual abilities, Miyuki almost seems written as Erika's worst possible opponent. Or Erika written as being unable to beat Miyuki.

Originally Posted by Echizen777

If Tatsuya and Erika are fighting with pure martial skills, Tatsuya would win fairly easily IMO. I mean, he has the level of his master and we know Naotsugu is the strongest swordsman in the world and is in in the top 10 in martial arts.

Naotsugu, Lu Gonghu, Tatsuya, Kokonoe and Mari are the strongest( I would want her to fight Erika one day).

I don't see Erika beating Miyuki either. Being from the 10MC is just an huge advantage, they are on another level, she is better at long range but even at close range Erika would not be able to achieve her, remember Miyuki received some ninjutsu training too, Lina is better at close range too but her Muspelheim was powerful enough to clash with Miyuki for a long time. Miyuki would just cast a spell blindingly fast and freeze her.

The Shiba siblings are on another level compared to their classmates and I believe Mikihiko is the 3rd strongest.
Miyuki VS Mayumi would be more interesting.

You guys are really underestimating Erika; you may say cocytus is OP but it is still a target base attack. You cant attack what you can see; against Miyuki; Erika can win 7-3 matches and that is considering if Miyuki can run away from Erika; Miyuki can win against Erika using wide range magic but there is a risk that Miyuki may be caught by her own magic if she ever uses it. If you still doubt what i say read Lina vs Erika; Lina speed is much faster than Miyuki; distracted as she maybe; she is still a soldier, she can kill her emotion in a fight. With Lina using every kind of magic she has except for her strategic class magic; while Erika was only using physical abilities and swordplay; she only use magic almost at the end of the fight when she goes for the kill.

Tatsuya already had a hard time against Tomitsuka in martial arts and magic and you think Tatsuya would still win against Erika in pure martial arts?

If you think Mari/Miki is much stronger than Erika you are dead wrong. Mari is already a third year and she studied magic at a young age; same goes for Miki. While Erika only use move type magic and swordplay as her arsenal and she is already far stronger than those two. Magic battle with no physical contact they will win against Erika no doubt. But in combat Erika would eat magicians for breakfast. She's one of those type of anti-magician.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by pampz21

You guys are really underestimating Erika; you may say cocytus is OP but it is still a target base attack. You cant attack what you can see; against Miyuki; Erika can win 7-3 matches and that is considering if Miyuki can run away from Erika; Miyuki can win against Erika using wide range magic but there is a risk that Miyuki may be caught by her own magic if she ever uses it. If you still doubt what i say read Lina vs Erika; Lina speed is much faster than Miyuki; distracted as she maybe; she is still a soldier, she can kill her emotion in a fight. With Lina using every kind of magic she has except for her strategic class magic; while Erika was only using physical abilities and swordplay; she only use magic almost at the end of the fight when she goes for the kill.

Tatsuya already had a hard time against Tomitsuka in martial arts and magic and you think Tatsuya would still win against Erika in pure martial arts?

If you think Mari/Miki is much stronger than Erika you are dead wrong. Mari is already a third year and she studied magic at a young age; same goes for Miki. While Erika only use move type magic and swordplay as her arsenal and she is already far stronger than those two. Magic battle with physical contact they will win against Erika no doubt. But in combat Erika would eat magicians for breakfast. She's one of those type of anti-magician.

And there it is.

I'm still judging.

[bones]

Originally Posted by pampz21

You guys are really underestimating Erika; you may say cocytus is OP but it is still a target base attack. You cant attack what you can see; against Miyuki; Erika can win 7-3 matches and that is considering if Miyuki can run away from Erika; Miyuki can win against Erika using wide range magic but there is a risk that Miyuki may be caught by her own magic if she ever uses it. If you still doubt what i say read Lina vs Erika; Lina speed is much faster than Miyuki; distracted as she maybe; she is still a soldier, she can kill her emotion in a fight. With Lina using every kind of magic she has except for her strategic class magic; while Erika was only using physical abilities and swordplay; she only use magic almost at the end of the fight when she goes for the kill.

Tatsuya already had a hard time against Tomitsuka in martial arts and magic and you think Tatsuya would still win against Erika in pure martial arts?

If you think Mari/Miki is much stronger than Erika you are dead wrong. Mari is already a third year and she studied magic at a young age; same goes for Miki. While Erika only use move type magic and swordplay as her arsenal and she is already far stronger than those two. Magic battle with physical contact they will win against Erika no doubt. But in combat Erika would eat magicians for breakfast. She's one of those type of anti-magician.

Your example involves Miyuki or anyone else standing still but no matter what Erika is infantry and the best way to deal with infantry is to fly out of her range and start bombarding her. Before, they introduced flight type magic maybe she could win but until I see Erika training in how to fight with swords while flying, I'm going to bet on the people who can just fly away and then carpet bomb her

[Rava]

Originally Posted by bones

Your example involves Miyuki or anyone else standing still but no matter what Erika is infantry and the best way to deal with infantry is to fly out of her range and start bombarding her. Before, they introduced flight type magic maybe she could win but until I see Erika training in how to fight with swords while flying, I'm going to bet on the people who can just fly away and then carpet bomb her

Erika basically needs the terrain to be in her favor.

If both sides are starting on the ground then it's not unreasonable to give Erika a decent chance. Miyuki is definitely one of the worst matchups for her though. Even if Miyuki was standing still and ignoring effective instant kill attacks, something like Deceleration Zone alone coming from Miyuki would screw over Erika completely.