2012-11-08, 15:38 | Link #2942 | |
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2012-11-08, 15:43 | Link #2943 |
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Yeah I voted against it. It seems ironic to me that we did three strikes reform and at the same time created another harsher penalty in our law for certain criminals. It has been proven that even stricter punishments have not done anything to decrease crime and we already have Federal laws to deal with this shit so the law is pretty much pointless.
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2012-11-08, 15:58 | Link #2944 | |
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/r...-election.html
Hre is a nugget from said article: That does not mean the GOP must offer up amnesty. It does mean that a group that is a natural fit for the GOP on social issues, must in someway be made to feel comfortable with the GOP." Such raw honesty from a politician is rare, they basically want to trick latinos into voting for republicans without embracing them. I know public education in the USA is on the decline, but latinos will not vote in droves for candidates that do not embrace them. Quote:
@GundamFan0083 about ammo shortage My theory is that international drug cartes are buying all the ammo in your area (paying way more than retail price), so the local law enforcement does not really know why it is happening or are telling you what they think you would accept without a second thought. Therefore IMO it is non political issue. |
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2012-11-08, 16:21 | Link #2945 |
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Whether global warming can destroy the planet or not doesn't really matter much, does it? The question is can the fragile humanity go along for the ride all intact as earth does its thing. The earth has been spinning for few billion years and went through a lot. Humanity existed for 5 million (or 5000) years at most. And if we want to exist for a little bit longer, trying to answer those questions with some urgency probably isn't too bad an idea. A fairly regular and a simple event such as ice age in the grand scheme of earth's cycle can (and will) wipe out most human population from the earth.
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2012-11-08, 16:50 | Link #2946 |
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Saying "global warming is destroying the planet" is a red herring. The earth will toddle along merrily, the question is, will the higher life forms (including us) have fun or be miserable because ... say, much of the agricultural zones go to hell? That unpredictable superstorms decimate the infrastructure we use to get along?
Do we want to take mitigating preventative measures or just wait til the crocodiles are "taking the young in the night"?
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2012-11-08, 17:12 | Link #2947 | |
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which is why i am investing in potatoes.
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2012-11-08, 17:14 | Link #2948 |
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Is there even enough scientific evidence to suggest that humans have a real and clear impact on global warming?
From what I've been able to muster, the answer is debated by scientists. The reality is that global warming is a real phenomenon that we need to deal with, but how much do we really impact it? Should we be more geared to trying to deal with the natural effects of global warming, or trying to slow down human impact (If it really does)?
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2012-11-08, 17:16 | Link #2949 | |
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Humans do play a part in climate change, because they directly influence the environment. So do all animals. When bees die, pollination drops off, plants die. When deer reproduce too much, you get mass die offs, disease, etc., When cows fart, you get increases in methane gas. Human habitation has direct impacts as well, even if it is minimal in many ways. Everything adds to the system. Global Warming is only referencing the rise in global temperatures. We know that the earth has gone through warming and cooling periods since it has existed, but this particular warming trend is very rapid and it correlates with the rise of the Industrial Revolution and our relatively recent discovery of fossil fuels. Did we cause it? Not by ourselves, but we certainly haven't been good caretakers either. Climate Change refers to the shifting of environmental elements that control....climates. The explanation is obvious but deceptive. When the Jet Stream shifts, for example, you get longer warming and cooling seasons. This messes with crops, hibernations, migrations, and what comes down from the sky. Storms get more violent in certain areas, they disappear in others (massive droughts). As the environment seeks a new equilibrium, things become more extreme. Hurricanes come later in a season and are more powerful. The number of tornadoes and their speed increase. Winters get wetter, or weaker, so you get more flooding due to water saturation or more chemicals released into the atmosphere since permafrost absorbs a lot of stuff, like carbon. You get more droughts, more wildfires, more flooding from dry earth that can't soak up rain fast enough. You get slower replenishment of water tables. You get sinkholes and even non-fault earthquakes. Entire ecosystems shift and change. This has direct effects on economies, diseases, populations, food supplies, infrastructure...you name it. We have built a world on the presumption that this is how it will always be, that the climate will never change and that resources are infinite. We now know that this isn't true. There is definitely a lot of politics and agendas in science, but the response should be that it shouldn't matter. You wouldn't want to live in a poorly maintained home, with inhabitants that don't clean up after themselves, so why should we tolerate it when we do it to the only home that really matters, the only home we all share and depend on for survival: Earth.
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2012-11-08, 17:24 | Link #2950 |
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Anatomy of a White House win: how Obama outmaneuvered Romney
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8A62A520121108 Tea Party still has clout despite election setbacks http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8A707Z20121108
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2012-11-08, 17:24 | Link #2951 | |
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2012-11-08, 17:33 | Link #2953 | |
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2012-11-08, 17:42 | Link #2955 | |
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It's difficult enough to get industrialized nations like the US/EU etc. that actually have the technologies and the means to deploy them to reduce to do anything, for developing nations like china/india etc, you can forget about it. |
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2012-11-08, 17:49 | Link #2957 | |
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2012-11-08, 17:56 | Link #2958 | |
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Le parfum du chaos électoral de 2000 plane sur la Floride ( sorry, article in french )
http://www.lapresse.ca/international...5_accueil_POS2 Edit: How Ridiculous Gerrymanders Saved the House Republican Majority http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20..._majority.html Quote:
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http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/ The other website simply preserved it so it was the only copy I could find (the original is gone AFAIK). Quote:
However, Obama's "Fast and Furious" nonsense is what has many gun-owners "up in arms " about him. I hope you are correct and that their fears are completely unjustified, but Obama did say in the third debate he would seek a new AWB. Quote:
@RE: "Global Warming", "Climate Change", "ManBearPig" and the other Chickenlittle scenarios. Whether you believe them or not is really moot when we look at the issue of Obama's "Cap and Trade" bill since this bill will not stop the real issue behind all of this. That being POLLUTION. I am all for a plan to completely eliminate our use of carbon-based fuels, but not with any of the proposed legislation that has been put forward thus far. None of it will stop, or even reduce, the use of carbon-based fuels. All it will do is oppress the consumer with higher prices and if done to the extreme that has been called for, cause great harm in probably deaths on a large scale. We need a viable replacement for oil, and we need it as soon as possible with the least amount of loss of liberty, life, and property.
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2012-11-08, 19:26 | Link #2960 | |
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Definitely, if the priority is a short-term patch, rather than a solution to the problem. Let's not also forget that dealing with the effects, does not exclude eliminating their cause. |
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