Myself; Yourself (generic discussion thread)

[taelrak]

I dunno. People seem to dislike tsun girls for some reason, whereas I'm usually more contemptuous of dere girls Just once I'd rather see a tsun girl go through to the end without becoming all dere.

I'm looking forward to the reason Sana came back though. I hope it's a better reason than "I wanted to hear the ending of that song" or something.

[SvenTheSweeper]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

For the first few minutes, I thought this was becoming a show I could drop. Then Koshimizu Ami (Nanaka) came centre stage and everything changed. Absolutely wonderful performance. I almost thought she was Kuwashima Houko for a minute there -- and that's about the highest praise I can give.

Amisuke is celebrating her sixth anniversary as a seiyuu this month, since her debut as Nadja in Ashita no Nadja. She recently wrote in her blog (in a bit of a panic) that she had somehow lost her high voice and could only use a deeper one. Well, that deeper one works beautifully. She just has to forget about playing little girls like Nadja, I guess.

I also found myself accepting and even enjoying Kaneda Tomoko's piercing voice as Aoi. Maybe just because Aoi is such a charming character. True dojikko moe.

When Tamura Yukari and Koyasu Takehito are the sidekicks, you know you've got a good seiyuu cast. Boy, do I love both of their voices. Yukarin just makes such a perfect tomboy, with her open-sounding voice.

And the other love rival, Asami, is played by Nakahara Mai. Hardly chopped liver herself. I have confidence, however, that Nanaka will win out, since Amisuke's name is higher on the cast list and Nanaka is more prominent on the posters, lol.

You and I are on the same wavelength. I was trying to figure out if Nanako was Koshimizu Ami or Kuwashima Houko, by comparing Nanako's voice to Claire (Claymore) or Karen (Code Geass). Either way I love them both. My fantasy would be to have both play sisters or partner roles in the same show.

I was taken aback by Kaneda Tomoko's performance of Aoi, but I learned to like Aoi just like her portrayal of Chiyo (Azumanga Daioh) or Fuyuno (Magikano).

Tamura Yukari is good again as the brash and sassy type of girl.

Asami probably won't win for the reasons you stated, plus it is the rule in anime (and shows in general) that characters with the most investment (e.g. screen time, dialogue, angst, history, best animated/drawn, etc.) usually wins out. There must be trope for this!

Anyways it’s always a joy to hear my favorite guilty pleasure seiyuu, Mai Nakahara. I keep enjoying the sweet and spirited voice she gives to her characters, and can even forgive her for sometimes sounding the same on different shows. I always look forward to see what type of character she plays, and can be pleasantly surprised when it is different from what I expected from her (e.g. Aono in Sola or Rena in Higurshi).

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

All I can say is, 3 osana-najimi characters = 30% chance of losing to the power of three = 2.7% chance of all of them losing = 97.3% chance one of them will win. XD

Eh ?

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

I don't really care if its Nanaka, Aoi, or Shuri, lol. So far they're pretty much even.

In terms of attention though, it's Aoi first, then Nanaka, and finally Shuri who gets hardly any or than his best friend's sister

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

But to be honest, I'm rooting for Nanaka first. Mainly because I hope she'll be a one of the girls in which the original term of tsundere was made for; ie. someone who is truly tsun, but as time goes by she becomes truly dere without ever being tsun anymore. Judging by the second episode, it does seem like Nanaka really is a 'true' tsundere since it looks like she's steadily progressing towards dere, which is interesting for me since I never really saw a 'true' tsundere.

I'm rooting for her because of her character design, and because she's getting all this hate

I've seen tons of Tsunderes already (And I'm sure everybody here have as well) so I don't feel her acting any different than what the previous others would do. Slap? It is abit extreme but I won't judge it on face value. Being cold and rude? Not very revolutionary is it...

Like Aoi's voice, I just don't see what's the big deal.


P.S - Yes, I have a liking for most Tsundere characters. No, I don't have a problem.

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

Judging by the ED though, Aoi looks like she'll get the short end of the stick, lol. ^^;

Rather than not seeing Aoi there, I'm more surprised by seeing Shuri there

Originally Posted by taelrak

I dunno. People seem to dislike tsun girls for some reason, whereas I'm usually more contemptuous of dere girls Just once I'd rather see a tsun girl go through to the end without becoming all dere.

There won't be a story if she's static throughout

I won't say she'll be all-dere, but rather she'll return back to the samegirl that he knew.

Originally Posted by taelrak

I'm looking forward to the reason Sana came back though. I hope it's a better reason than "I wanted to hear the ending of that song" or something.

Most likely family related.

[totalnet]

After he played the piano, Sana did say to Asami that because of circumstances at home, the family had to move five years ago.

Spoiler for Speculation on what happen:

Sana's parents had gotten in trouble with Nanaka's family. After Sana's family left, Nanaka was told what Sana's parents did to them. Also from his mom's phone call, she was worry that he is not going to school. Which could mean that for some reason he wasn't going to school when he lived with his parents.

Speculation points are:
1) Sana's parents have issue with Nanaka's family.
2) Sana don't know any of it.
3) But Nanaka does know.
4) So does the twins, most likely Nanaka told them.
5) Aoi doesn't seem to know nor does Sana's family have any issue with Aoi's family.

[Pell14]

holy i read the spoiler accidentally omg

[totalnet]

Originally Posted by Pell14

holy i read the spoiler accidentally omg

Don't worry. It's just speculation, might not happen.

[changeup]

I am afraid whatever the cause is, it will be the meat of this series... i.e. we will not know it until the finale...

Originally Posted by Tatiana Razajev

I have this feeling that Nanaka is only going to get worse before she gets better. How long before she starts getting better being dependent on the over all length of the series. Even if the chances are slim right now I'm hoping Sana gets into a relationship with another girl. Sure it would upset Nanaka, but something tells me that by the time she realizes that calming down may be a good idea it will be too late. Then again with lead female power it's never too late. Even if several years have passed, the guy's married to another girl, and has children. The lead will still have her chance.

All I can say right now is that Nanaka is getting on my nerves. So I'm hoping for a good reason as well. Also I'm hoping they don't spend too much time dragging it out. I'd hate to have a case where she spends the vast majority of the series in well ***** mode as it were. So the sooner they wrap up that plot point and move things in a different direction the better for the show.

[changeup]

Spoiler for My speculation:

Nice attempt. But your speculation does not seem to explain why Nanaka has the hatred towards Sana. If it was just the family issue, Nanaka might avoid Sana but not to that extent. Or maybe Sana's indifference when they met again tipped her off balance. Take your speculation to a higher level, I guess Nanaka did attempt to meet Sana after they were separated five years ago, but failed because of something Sana did or did not do. It's possible to be a broken oath or something like that. Or maybe some drastic misunderstanding (obviously Shuusuke and Shuri kinda know what was going on but thought it was Sana's fault).

Originally Posted by totalnet

After he played the piano, Sana did say to Asami that because of circumstances at home, the family had to move five years ago.

Spoiler for Speculation on what happen:

Sana's parents had gotten in trouble with Nanaka's family. After Sana's family left, Nanaka was told what Sana's parents did to them. Also from his mom's phone call, she was worry that he is not going to school. Which could mean that for some reason he wasn't going to school when he lived with his parents.

Speculation points are:
1) Sana's parents have issue with Nanaka's family.
2) Sana don't know any of it.
3) But Nanaka does know.
4) So does the twins, most likely Nanaka told them.
5) Aoi doesn't seem to know nor does Sana's family have any issue with Aoi's family.

[Aznbanana]

Spoiler for speculation:

ya, i think it prolly has something to do with a broken promise.

This is a bit different then other love harems such as love hina and kanon since its only 5 years heh.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Aznbanana

Spoiler for speculation:

ya, i think it prolly has something to do with a broken promise.

This is a bit different then other love harems such as love hina and kanon since its only 5 years heh.

I don't think time is that big of a factor though

[Messerschmitt_Bf-109]

Or it could be..I don't know. Too early to guess.

[grey_moon]

Thinking about the comments about tsundere, I was thinking about the tsun phase of tsundere girl's. If the guy is forced to be with the girl then I think its understandable, but if the girl is showing absolute distaste for the guy (ie Nanako), then shouldn't that guy seriously back off and just avoid her, or otherwise isn't it just harassment? I know in Sana's case he is getting forced into a situation with her with the class rep role, and it was Asami who saved the day.

As MB109 pointed out it is too early to make any judgement calls, but as of now Nanako is the type of girl I would personally avoid, childhood friend or what not.

[DanielSong39]

Current power rankings (last week's rankings)

1. Aoi (1) - Friendly, helpful, and loving. Maybe Sana really should become their son-in-law.
2. Asami (new) - Gets off on the right foot. If it wasn't animeverse, she'd actually have a chance.
3. Shuri (2) - No sign that she has much interest in Sana. Would rather match him with Nanaka.
4. Nanaka (3) - OK, she didn't slap him this episode, but she was still pretty bad. Absolutely no evidence that she will be a better option than Aoi, even if she shapes up.

Nanaka will be a character I love to hate. Unfortunately she will end up with Sana, but until it happens... I will continue to root for Aoi and hope that Nanaka suffers the pain of rejection.

Also, is it just me, or has Nanaka ditched the rest of the circle of friends? Doesn't bode well for her chances...(getting my hopes up, even though it will ultimately be in vain)

[4ran]

Originally Posted by DanielSong39

that she has much interest in Sana. Would rather match him with Nanaka.
4. Nanaka (3) - OK, she didn't slap him this episode, but was she still pretty bad. Absolutely no evidence that she will be a better option than Aoi, even if she shapes up.
Nanaka will be a character I love to hate. Unfortunately she will end up with Sana, but until it happens... I will continue to root for Aoi and hope that Nanaka suffers the pain of rejection.

I found Nanaka the most interesting character in the show tell now.. she's supposed to the main female character I think and yet she's the meanest and the weirdest ;P I don’t think we will be bored when she’s around --->helpful for my psychology course

[grey_moon]

For me mean does not equal interesting... A character can be plenty interesting with needing to be abusive.

One interpretation about the circle of friends situation is that she could be expecting them to choose between Sana or her (bad friend). Or of course she could have already distanced herself from that for what ever reason in the past.

Lots of questions to be answered and I hope there are good reasons for the way the writers have written her and not just to yank my emotions to hate her off the bat.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by grey_moon

Thinking about the comments about tsundere, I was thinking about the tsun phase of tsundere girl's. If the guy is forced to be with the girl then I think its understandable, but if the girl is showing absolute distaste for the guy (ie Nanako), then shouldn't that guy seriously back off and just avoid her, or otherwise isn't it just harassment? I know in Sana's case he is getting forced into a situation with her with the class rep role, and it was Asami who saved the day.

As MB109 pointed out it is too early to make any judgement calls, but as of now Nanako is the type of girl I would personally avoid, childhood friend or what not.

Avoiding her isn't going to solve anything. And rather than harassment, he is simply trying to 'reconnect' with her... His approaches so far aren't exactly forceful either. He's been respectful and polite all the way.

And it is because she's his close childhood friend, that's why he's even bothering. Right now he's acting under the perception that she's angry at him for not remembering, so definitely he's going to try everything to make it up to her again... Or at least get her to forgive him, even if it isn't his fault.

[NoSanninWa]

Am I the only one who understands Nanaka's feelings? She's been thinking about this guy for the last 5 years. She sees him at the temple and he waves at her, but she's feeling too shy to go up to him so easily. Perhaps she's feeling even shier because of the way she's dressed. Still, she's happy that he waved to her and figures that he recognized her. Then they meet in class, her heart is beating 10 times a second like a hummingbird. She strides forward feeling tense about their renunion. Then he treats her like a stranger!

No wonder she slapped him. She went from being reunited with the guy she's been missing to discovering that he doesn't remember her at all. Of course it was a complete misunderstanding since his problem was how much she had changed. That misunderstanding would have been completely cleared up with a single apology and a simple explanation, but after 3 days he doesn't bother to apologize. Every day he didn't apologize to her is another knife in her heart.

Of course hearing how much the song meant to him even after all this time made those bad feelings go away. Even though he's too much of a blockhead to apologize after treating her like a stranger, she's apparently willing to forgive him.

Nanaka isn't a bitch at all, like so many people here seem to think. She's just very emotional and poor at expressing those emotions.

[grey_moon]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Avoiding her isn't going to solve anything. And rather than harassment, he is simply trying to 'reconnect' with her... His approaches so far aren't exactly forceful either. He's been respectful and polite all the way.

And it is because she's his close childhood friend, that's why he's even bothering. Right now he's acting under the perception that she's angry at him for not remembering, so definitely he's going to try everything to make it up to her again... Or at least get her to forgive me, even if it isn't his fault.

Ah my point about avoiding the a tsundere girl who is in her tsun phase is more of a general point and not specific to this show (I should have written it better). But what you say does make sense, and I tried show that in my post by saying he was forced into the class rep role.

[Thingle]

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

Nanaka isn't a bitch at all, like so many people here seem to think. She's just very emotional and poor at expressing those emotions.

That's not an excuse.. no no no. She clearly overreacted when she could've said "Hey Sana, it's me Nanaka!"

If things go on like this, Nanaka will see Sana slipping away ~wooo oooh oohh oohh baby please don't go~

[NoSanninWa]

Originally Posted by InternalBrain

That's not an excuse.. no no no. She clearly overreacted when she could've said "Hey Sana, it's me Nanaka!"

It is clear you are neither a woman, nor are very close to many women. If she has to tell him her name then she isn't important enough for him to recognize her by himself. That's a big deal!