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Aside from the multiple political issues, mostly being Nations not trusting each other, since when does civilians get to order military personnel around? Plus the firepower of the Object is too overwhelming to be used on humans- These were meant to deter against other Objects or large machines attacks
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2013-01-15, 20:51 | Link #463 |
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It took me quite a bit of energy to accept this series. Yes, I love it now, but reading this series I can' t help but think of George Owell's 1984, and the infamous line "Euroasia was always at war with XXX"
Even though our MC's adventures are amazing and the princess is cute (and the commander is hot), but this level of corruption, this level of war and chaos, life must be full of misery. I am not sure if the author ever realized what a dystopian world he is portraying. |
2013-01-15, 21:33 | Link #464 |
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I don't think it's any worse really- That's why he came up with the irony tagline "Clean War", to show how wars are mostly cockfights with Objects as their fighters. Nothing really large scale happens and most of the countries are declared 'safe', it's just that since they're in the Army, our protagonists get to see all the ugly side of humanity.
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2013-01-15, 21:41 | Link #466 | |
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It's those damn Englishmen! (They could also be French, but I wouldn't know...)
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2013-01-16, 03:41 | Link #467 | |
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Since they had no problem coordinating their every move with Sponsors all the time, they had plenty of opportunities to do that. |
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2013-01-16, 04:15 | Link #468 | |
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I don't know if you know this but the line of communication from civilian to military isn't as smooth as picking up the phone and call. The sponsors are one thing, but military command? Especially those from other Nations? With a history of antagonism against each other? God knows how long it would take for them to go through the proper screenings to check and double check the information and whether or not you are part of the terrorist organization planning to mislead them.
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2013-01-16, 04:45 | Link #469 | |
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2013-01-16, 04:56 | Link #470 | |
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Maybe if everything is calm and cool, but remember that there is an uproar from the initial attacks and the authorities are busy managing the chaos and not to mention trying to make sense of it all. Even if there isn't, it still doesn't solve the problem of getting them to trust your information. You have to spend time convincing your people that you are helping them, which is a bit hard since you are not an offical member of the military. Then they would have to convince the other three factions to play ball, how long do you think all that would take?
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2013-01-16, 10:20 | Link #473 | |
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After informing, they will then have to discuss the matter of who will take care of the matter, since after all, having all of the objects fire at once will just increase the possibility of friendly fire, whether accidental or not. These discussion will take a long time, because those warring country will suspect each other whether the other country won't use this chance to do something toward themselves. After the representative finish discussing, they then have to decide which object to use in order not to leak any of their object weakness to the enemy. Do you really think the enemy will wait for them that long before executing their plan? Indeed. Bureaucracy is needed in order to keep thing smooth, but more often than not, it become a double edged sword that hinder smooth progression of anything in the end |
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2013-01-16, 17:09 | Link #474 |
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@SinsI -- I suspend disbelief in a lot of things when I read anime/LNs .. as long as it is not logically inconsistent with the "rules" or "laws of physics" of a particular created world than I give it a pass nowadays.
@Chaos & Kuroi -- Bureaucracy can suck .. but is easily cut through during times of actual crisis. You should see what happens to layers and layers of bureaucracy when a real chance of imminent loss of life (or money) is near .. :heH:
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2013-01-16, 17:22 | Link #475 | |
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And that's still dealing with only a single organization; try convincing the other three not to fire on you while you're charging your weapons. To put it in another way, if the military can so easily believe and act on any information that comes their way first, what's stopping the bad guy from sending them false information?
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2013-01-16, 17:58 | Link #476 | |
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But if you're going to go into a logic battle with me .. *puts on thinking cap* .. then bring it! 1) The Red Phone -- Major corporations, governments and the military always have secure channels within themselves and among each other to communicate these issues and cut through the bureaucracy. 2) Cost Benefit Analysis -- What's the cost of believing vs. the cost of not acting? 3) Magnitude of Response -- Tied to #2 and direct response to your query above, from past chapters we know Objects have weapons that are not meant to be used to fight other Objects but against conventional arms or infantry 4) Contingencies / Other Resources -- Even if you can't deploy another object all of these nations have other resources they could deploy. It's highly unlikely that with so many personnel to protect there isn't bountiful "conventional" military force to deploy in this instance 5) The very notification to each of these nations of a potential 3rd party attempting to provoke global war .. would already defeat it's point. It was a terrible plan to begin with -- they already said the laser wouldn't be enough to take out an Object. Dissemination of the information, even if they didn't act on it, but told their Objects simply to "stand by" and "be prepared for evasion action" would make the plan useless. ..And that's it for now from the top of my head.
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I'm not saying it's 100% real world logical, but there's enough reason within the context to say why they didn't do this and that, rather than just dismissing it outright.
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2013-01-16, 18:51 | Link #478 | |
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Re: "Red Phone" -- Yep, world leaders, but as we've seen in the Australia debacle and orders to Frolyetia (who conducts wars on her tablet) there's actually very few steps of separation between an object at "the top" (or at least close to the top) Re: Magnitude of Response -- Don't think this is true .. Baby Magnum for example, even when it went to fight the Tri-Core was still equipped with a secondary laser weapon, "Killer Squall" used to kill flesh and blood soldiers. Heck, even the Break Carrier had a smaller caliber railgun used for anti-armor purposes and not Anti-Object purposes (it was aimed at Quenser's face. Re: Contingencies -- I'm not referring to the island nation, I'm referring to the numerous infantry divisions and security on the island that were used to protect athletes. Now that the Technopics are over there is plenty of manpower to simply use conventional force. Even if a government balked at diverting an Object to investigate, sending an infantry squad or two wouldn't have caused much of a stir .. it sure didn't when Mariydi was running around like a lunatic. Re: Warning -- Not sure I follow the point. Even if you "distrust" the warning itself .. there's no way that you won't be on "alert" even if you don't believe the content of the message 100%. The fact that they would be on alert and would know for certain where the attack emanated from (not an Object) would diffuse the very purpose of the whole scheme.
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2013-01-16, 19:06 | Link #479 |
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I guess that's the difference in understanding; for me the suspension of disbelief is for things that does not have a single reason for it to happen and if a reason could be given that somewhat fits within the context of what we were given then there's no need to suspend.
I cannot 100% say that absolutely no good would happen if they tried to contact the various military- maybe all four commanders that day were perfectly reasonable people, but at the same time you can't say that they wouldn't be complete dicks. So for me there is a good reason why they didn't waste that time because I've seen how hilariously inefficient the army can be first hand
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Now that New Testament Toaru Majutsu no Index volume 6 translations out of the way, js06 continues with the translations for Heavy Object Volume 6.
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