sola - Episode 7 Discussion / Poll

[JediNight]

This is a rather large town, so Matsuri could have thought Yorito wouldn't be over on that end before she figured out where to go from here. She obviously didn't expect to see Yorito, and was still trying to uphold the promise by telling Yorito to go away.

Has anyone talked about why Mayuko is there with Matsuri? I know she said she wanted to meet Matsuri, so I wonder what they talked about and what Onii-chan will do.

And while this is shocking, the Yaka heal quickly don't they? I doubt it's a fatal wound for her assuming Aono doesn't MC Yorito any more.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Cats

1) 2) No, you are mistaken, Aono brought Yorito to life at most, some time a month or so ago. The hint to this is Yorito's memory range.

Not necessarily. How far back can you remember? Do you remember your birth? Alzheimer patients also lose their memories. So it's no leap, that one can exist longer than one can remember. If his memory was partially erased, then it would also account for the 3 month period and still allow for his existence for longer than 3 months depending on what the true scenario is.

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by JediNight

This is a rather large town, so Matsuri could have thought Yorito wouldn't be over on that end before she figured out where to go from here. She obviously didn't expect to see Yorito, and was still trying to uphold the promise by telling Yorito to go away.

Has anyone talked about why Mayuko is there with Matsuri? I know she said she wanted to meet Matsuri, so I wonder what they talked about and what Onii-chan will do.

And while this is shocking, the Yaka heal quickly don't they? I doubt it's a fatal wound for her assuming Aono doesn't MC Yorito any more.

actually i think the reason why matsuri is still in town was because she had to take care of Mayuko ~ i can imagine by chance the run away Mayuko managed to bump into matsuri after she left takashi but the problem here is what state she is currently in...she seems ill and matsuri is trying her best to take care of her...could she have been running around in the sun?
and its not totally stated that yaka can heal quickly...

[felix]

She seemed to me her sleepy self. =)

[Furudanuki]

Just a little thought that occurred to me after catching up with the discussion...

The flashback events that - we have to believe - originally created this triangle occurred quite some time ago: Are we at all safe in assuming that what we are seeing now is really the first time this little drama has been played out? Maybe Aono's actions in episode 7 are the cumulative result of seeing Yorito choose Matsuri over and over and over again instead of a sudden fit of jealousy. Perhaps the appearance of Takashi and Mayuko is a wild card that has been newly added to the game and changed the rules. Something else to ponder, anyway.

[Icerack]

and its not totally stated that yaka can heal quickly...

Matsuri's been hit by light darts and burnt in the sunshine multiple times and she seems to be okay over one night's sleep (and will most likely will survive the glass shard attack). Assuming Yorito is also a Yaka, he's also survived a slash with a sword and has been okay the next day. Hm....

[kct]

Originally Posted by Icerack

Assuming Yorito is also a Yaka, he's also survived a slash with a sword and has been okay the next day. Hm....

Of course, that is just pure speculation at the moment, it seems that we have several theories about him going around here, that is...

Spoiler for Yorito:

1. He's actually a Yaka, but it has been shown from time to time again that he is capable of walking in broad daylight. Not an exactly plausible theory. Also, we do not actually know how long it is between the first episode and the current episode.

2. Yorito was somehow revived by Aono, hence the memory lapse of some sort. this was enhanced by the fact that Aono said that she 'has been using her powers a lot', for a reason that is unknown to most of us until now. It is also possible that she can use her powers to give Yorito some memory lapse, since she probably would have got control of Yorito when she went SEED, meaning that Yorito's actual existence is somehow tied with her.

3. The Yorito we see now is a reincarnation of the Yorito from the past, although that would be...I don't know.

There could be more though...

[Telliamed]

Originally Posted by Cats

She seemed to me her sleepy self. =)

Then she's sleeping late. The sun has already gone down.

Originally Posted by JediNight

And while this is shocking, the Yaka heal quickly don't they? I doubt it's a fatal wound for her assuming Aono doesn't MC Yorito any more.

Sola rap?

Hit the jackpot, have we? Nearly double the posts from last week. All these wild speculations are surely confusing some people. Just remember, folks, androids, espers, and government agents.

[octoberasian]

Originally Posted by Furudanuki

Just a little thought that occurred to me after catching up with the discussion...

The flashback events that - we have to believe - originally created this triangle occurred quite some time ago: Are we at all safe in assuming that what we are seeing now is really the first time this little drama has been played out? Maybe Aono's actions in episode 7 are the cumulative result of seeing Yorito choose Matsuri over and over and over again instead of a sudden fit of jealousy. Perhaps the appearance of Takashi and Mayuko is a wild card that has been newly added to the game and changed the rules. Something else to ponder, anyway.

Let's assume, again, that both versions of Yorito, past and present, are the same. Now, there are parallels between the two versions:
- made a promise to Matsuri to bring her out under the Sky and show it to her
- had feelings for her, but was never shown until now
- with Aono

Fast forward a couple more centuries, he repeats history, but subconsciously does so, after having seen all the current episodes up to now.

There is a slight difference between the two timelines: he's managed to get closer to Matsuri within three months than he has done so before. This is because Aono hasn't been with him in the three months to intervene. Aono even said in Ep.6 that it was three months ago when Matsuri possibly came back, at the same time when Aono was hospitalized. Coincidence?

As you said, the love triangle is finally being played out, and I would have to say Yorito is in the middle of all this. In the past, this wasn't ever really played out since Yorito died long before any possible involvement turned serious between him and Matsuri. That's what I'm thinking.

And, with Matsuri back in both Aono's and Yorito's life, Aono's plan to get closer to Yorito again is backfiring. No matter how much power you have, you can never repress harbored feelings within one person's own heart, nor manipulate it to your own whim. Regardless of how many times Aono has possibly reincarnated Yorito, or even just reincarnated/recreated him just once, and altered his memories, there is no possible way for Aono to manipulate his own heart. As I said before, a lot of what Yorito is doing now is what he has done centuries before, and is doing this again without him knowing that he's done them already. The exception now is that he's gotten closer to Matsuri than before since Aono has had no chance to intervene for three months. Now, I'm thinking that Aono will do whatever she can to keep Yorito.

My worst fear now is this:
If Aono had manipulated his memories before, will she erase memories of what happened in the last three months out of Yorito's mind? She can erase Yorito's memories all she wants, but trying to change centuries of harbored feelings for another person will be impossible to change as any factor can bring back these feelings again.

That would be painful to watch happen in the next episode or later episodes. Hopefully this fear doesn't come into fruition.

[Skane]

Originally Posted by Telliamed

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Sola rap?
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It took me a while to decipher it.

Based on context, MC = Mind-Control.

Cheers.

[WanderingKnight]

Grr, I'm late to the party.

Man, WHAT a cliffhanger. I hate myself now for having delayed so much the watching of this episode.

I'm definitely getting the raw next time.

[Phantom-Takaya]

I highly doubt we're at the climax of the story as of yet. There's still a lot of mysteries to be uncovered and a plethora of character interactions to be played out. With the way it ended on episode 6, it made this episode even better. The ending of this episode is definately an edge of your seat experience.

[JediNight]

What if Yorito being around is still a draw on Aono's powers? Like it's an active spell to keep him here like that, and if she stops using most of her power, he will just disappear?

That seems somewhat likely that he is somehow still part of her or connected, if she can MC (Mind Control :P) him on a whim.

[kct]

Originally Posted by JediNight

That seems somewhat likely that he is somehow still part of her or connected, if she can MC (Mind Control :P) him on a whim.

What I said (that his existence MIGHT BE tied to Aono in some sort of way).

[Dop]

Well. Coo. I never expected that!

Loved the bit with Aono trying out different outfits (how big is that wardrobe, anyway?) and then different hairstyles. All of which made the later part of this episode hit harder.

Spoiler for ep. 7:

While it was on the cards that Aono would get all psycho on Matsuri, I really wasn't expecting her to do it by proxy!

I'm really looking forward to see the aftermath of this episode!

[octoberasian]

Originally Posted by kct

What I said (that his existence MIGHT BE tied to Aono in some sort of way).

That brings up an interesting prospect that I think another person suggested, and it got me thinking:
What if Yorito wasn't reincarnated or revived or whatever...

Spoiler:

... what if Yorito is merely just an extension of Aono, more like a mirror of her own memories of the original Yorito? It could explain the lack of any memory before those three months, and the ease by which she can control him and be in some way linked to him mentally and emotionally. Yorito would still be able to live, eat, sleep, and love like a normal person, but he's still linked to Aono no matter what.

However, it does bring up a lot of plotholes such as him making a similar promise to Matsuri and falling for her again. But, it could explain Matsuri not intending to get close to Yorito. In Ep.7, she told Yorito: "Because, you're... you're..." What was she trying to tell him? That you're not real or that you were never real in the first place? Essentially it would mean that Aono created another Yorito to keep close to, but she created what has become a "broken record," subconsciously repeating what he has done in the past. It does add another possibility to the theory of what is Yorito and why Aono used so much power.

[Nemesis2124]

That's certainly a possibility. Though I think Yorito being replicated with such clarity based only off Aono's memories, to the point where it's detrimental to her intentions, is a bit awkward. I'm more inclined to think that even if he is primarily Aono's creation, some fragment of the original was probably used as a component.

[orion]

Nah. If Aono created him, she'd make sure that anything remotely related to Matsuri would be gone. I still think that he's the original with suppressed memories and Matsuri just doesn't know it. If you were Aono, would you tell her?

[Phantom-Takaya]

She could have been trying to say "You're a reincarnation of the old Yorito and I don't want you to end up the same way because of me." A mouthful, but I'm sure that can be a possibility if Yorito didn't hug her so suddenly.

[kct]

More about the 'extension of Aono' theory.

Spoiler for Yorito.:

Sure, it could be that Yorito himself started out as some kind of existence from Aono's consciousness (or rather, Aono's actual subconsciousness about what she knew, or remember about Yorito). What could exist is her own version of a living, talking and breathing Yorito, but somehow with only memories of Aono, and not the rest. As time goes by, the Yorito that exist (aka the one we see in the anime) could then be going to his own path, and things somehow happened after he stumbled into Matsuri (something I don't think Aono was really expecting at first).

This sounds crazy though >.> .