2010-06-01, 23:27 | Link #7601 |
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Cancun mayor Gregorio Sanchez faces drugs charges
No surprise there after all, Cancun is the US Summer Vacation capital where thousands of colleges kids party, get drunk and maybe do drugs. Guillermo del Toro 'leaves' as director of The Hobbit Well that's just great. Ex-US Vice President Al Gore to split from wife Tipper 40 years together and now this. This is sad.
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2010-06-02, 00:24 | Link #7603 | ||||
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That choice may be selfish to the Japanese, but it is responsible to Asia as a whole. We don't want a state capitalism market dominating and underpaying foreign outsources do we? Quote:
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2010-06-02, 01:37 | Link #7604 | |
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Actually it's about 1/4. And what do you know... Egypt has a blockade against the Palestinians too. I wonder why. http://blog.taragana.com/n/israel-sa...eapons-217495/ http://idfspokesperson.com/2009/11/0...ns-4-nov-2009/ I'm sorry, but when you have crap like this going on constantly, Israel has every right to make sure weapons that WOULD end up being used against it, don't make it to their destination. Just like American troops are facing Iranian bombs/weaponry in Iraq and Afghanistan, Israel faces Iranian equipment in Gaza and the West Bank. http://www.haaretz.com/news/u-s-navy...-gaza-1.268810 http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...uwAVuHMjTvt59g http://www.jordantimes.com/?news=21354 We can go in circles all day. Until Palestine shows that it wants peace, and accepts the existence of Israel, there will never be peace between them. Lets see what happens when the world tries to give Palestine the ability to care for itself shall we? http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/...aza/index.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9331863/ Palestine isn't looking to make itself a part of civilization. They only want to see Israel gone. Get rid of Israel, and Palestine will still be a chithole in the desert. Until they want peace, they will get what they are getting right now. |
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2010-06-02, 03:39 | Link #7605 |
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So what alternate universe do you come from where bulldozing peoples homes while their still in them to build your segragated housing is considered a peace offering? It's stupid and trite when you pin all the blame on the Palestinians when the situation is not cut and dry, and all you do when you make these kind of remarks is just portraying you as a bigot and an idiot.
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2010-06-02, 06:17 | Link #7607 |
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Will you be quiet already regarding the Gaza topic? I have a lot to say regarding it and a lot of anger to express against some people here who talk BS about Israel and keep on lying, but I won't because this thread got locked once already and xris told you all to stop and move forward, respect the rules.
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2010-06-02, 07:15 | Link #7609 | |
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Is it wrong to believe that both sides are being moronic here?
-The Israelis are boarding ships under foreign flags outside of their territorial waters. Which as several people have said, could very well be classified as piracy. -The activists on the ships engaged in violent that disqualifies them from claiming that they were practicing non violent non cooperation tactics and the specific moral high ground it offers, while claiming to still have it. All I see are two sides trying to play themselves up as being the innocent party and the other one being totally at fault, knowing that they'll have supporters who will automatically take the position of their pet party involved in the incident. Quote:
While it'd be simplistic to say that Ayn Rand caused these probably, I strongly feel she helped influence the various people and institutions who DID. |
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2010-06-02, 08:00 | Link #7610 | |||
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And here's what israeli's did last night: Obviously not the universal view all israeli's hold but still, People actually supporting and jeering the deaths of innocent people??? Also stop with the backseat modding please. If the mods feel the topic is not worth discussing then i'll stop talking about it. Last edited by Poetic Justice; 2010-06-02 at 08:11. |
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2010-06-02, 08:40 | Link #7611 | |
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but what you just said was a COMPLETE LIE , on a level i just CANT ignore. that video was from a protest in front of the turkish embassy in tel aviv two days ago. (you can see the embassy in the video, its the building across the street with the turkish flag on top) i was there. no one was celebrating the deaths of the people killed on the boats. the over all message of the protest was basiclly "turkey, stay the fuck out of our business", and "turkey is slowly becoming another iran" people we're carrying signs with the picture of turkey's flag = iran flag, and of the turkish PM = iran's president they were making as much noise, and drawing as much attention to the rally is possible, because it was right outside the embassy. everyone was accusing the turkish PM of fanning the flames of the tragedy for his own political capital. and accusing him of having been BEHIND that provocation in the first place (the ship was given to the flotila by the turkish goverment, most of the rioters were turkish, and the turkish "human rights group" IHH was a main force behind the whole thing) you need to understand the background of the past YEAR in the relations between israel and turkey to truly get whats going on. but suffice to say that despite the claim that it was an "international" flotila, the main state power behind it was Turkish the POINT is, that no one was celebrating the tragedy on the boat, and you are either uninformed, or a liar for saying it.
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2010-06-02, 08:52 | Link #7612 |
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Oh hi, this is a protest again the Turkish embassy for it's provocative steps to start a holy war.
2ndly, I'm going to protest against Turkey as well, they are trying to be "peaceful" but actually moving into the Islam extremists side Another thing -The Israelis are boarding ships under foreign flags outside of their territorial waters. Which as several people have said, could very well be classified as piracy. The ships headed our directions, by international law we are ALLOWED to stop the ships and making an army maneuver, if the ship has passed the border between the international waters and ours we were allowed to sink the ships because they are going against Israeli sovereignty and disrespecting the law, though they already did that. Another thing someone mentioned here is that I called the "Palestinians" shepherds, of course, if an Israeli person mentions a fact this is prejudice and racist, it's easy to play games and to distort the truth, just like in the beginning of the 90's, only then no one actually believed that, but as they keep on lying and changing a small detail without anyone noticing it eventually people will believe it. "The victory is written by the historian"
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2010-06-02, 09:01 | Link #7613 |
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I'm not going to say add a single word after this link:
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/...ael/index.html Read it, don't like it? Don't bother to respond, I'm not going to answer or respond to any of this nonsense anti-semi hypocrisy against Israel. And I'm asking all the other who try to help, please don't bother arguing with them, they won't change their mind and will still claim it's Israel's fault, always.
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2010-06-02, 09:57 | Link #7614 |
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LOL, the only thing I have to say is anti-Israeli policies does not make a person anti-semetic. You can be against policies that are clearly morally wrong, it's ridiculous to say that being against government sponsored assassination, settlement construction, forced migration makes you antisemite, I mean a certain level of humanity needs to be maintained. I just think it's asinine to equate anti jewish sentiment with anti human rights governments. It's using newspeak to manipulate the masses and punish dissent with a label.
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2010-06-02, 10:13 | Link #7616 |
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http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/06/01...-million-fine/
This is the end of America... the rich are not held accountable for their action, the poor are treated on a different standard and corporations have human rights. I can see why republicans hate government so much, although they probably love it now for being the crippled ineffective P.O.S it is now. How can the SEC even contemplate letting Goldmansachs off without an audit, and a trial where they and their cronies basically held the nation for ransom. It just baffles me. |
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That is what made Egypt close their borders : to prevent arms proliferation. The reopened their borders due to the embargo preventing sea aid in, which apparently Iran also used to send weapons. Quote:
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2010-06-02, 10:38 | Link #7618 |
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It isn't anti-semite. It is just the way of "Monkey See, Monkey Do".
That is how politics are run. When majority agrees upon something, no matter how fucked-up the decision is, the majority is right. You probably see all the UNCLOS stuff I posted, nobody ever cared, and Freegaza even has the cheek to call the Israeli commandos pirates. US is simply joining on the side of the freegaza people because it is to maintain good international relations, and get more countries on their side against China, meaning it is another geopolitical issue. This is probably the reason why the way older members of this forums aren't posting about this issue : there isn't any point in arguing against something so FUBAR like this and everything is about politics for personal gain. Vexx posted. I take this back. Then again, the Turkish government made a speech condemning the "acts", meaning which they don't support their own citizens' moves too, but the speech is crafted in a way to appease both sides.
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2010-06-02, 10:39 | Link #7619 | |
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Random thoughts: 1) Looks like plenty of mud and assessments of incompetence, arrogance, etc to throw in many directions (both tactically and politically). 2) For some reason, this resonates with the Kent State (Vietname era protest shootings) fiasco in my head (poorly planned mission at the strategic level, some panic on the ground, deaths). 3) I'm wondering if Turkey will pull the NATO trigger.... that would be interesting. 4) Pragmatically, Israel's problem is that the US now has other "permanent bases" in the region (Iraq). The US is no longer "stuck with Israel" no matter the situation. The interests are more complicated ... not comparing the types of countries other than as geopolitical chess pieces, but we saw recently that China's multi-lateral interests are resulting it in telling North Korea indirectly that "No one will be protected..." by the naval ship sinking investigation's results. For China, that's a major policy change. 5) Having the action occur in international waters makes for interesting complexity as SaintessHeart law post notes.
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