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It's not like people don't want to accept the idea but it's just that Shizu hasn't shown any monster-like ability yet... unlike our resident demonic overlord final boss who hadn't play for quite some while had shown her stuff right at the get-go of the show and it's just the tip of the iceberg but left Hisa grinning like crazy as if she just found herself a goldmine... not to mention making the middle-school champion weep... you got yourself a bonafide monster right there and then... Quote:
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Well, from what I see is that achiga-hen is a side story that revolves around the happenings at the other side of the bracket... some may contend to why not put the POV to Teru and Shiraitodai then... well, that can be good as to we might see Teru's side of the story and the day-to-day antics of Teru and Awaii and how Sumire deals with it... but from the Majhong perspective then we'll just see the slaughter from the prefectural up until the semi-finals where Shiraitodai only gets a real challenge which will be boring unless you enjoy the carnage... No one said anything that Saki will wipe the floor with the monkey but on the contrary... Shizu will be someone that will force Saki to unleash the beast... pair Shizu with an onee-chan-stealing supernova then we'll see hell on Tokyo... I just hope the fourth player won't be just someone to complete the table...
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Also the names on most English sites with info Saki have already flipped the names to western system of: Forename.Surname. Quote:
I was also referring to those with abilities and play styles that are built to hurt monster players, this refers to players like Sae Also it may seem crazy but Satoha could have an ability of her own, but I doubt what with how she's dealing with Yuuki, who pretty much is guaranteed to have the flow of the game on her side during the east round. Quote:
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I think the condition for Maho to use someone's ability is to actually see them in action. After all there are 4 ability users in Kiyosumi (Hisa, Mako, Yuuki and Saki) Maho never used Mako's, because if you remember back Maho only got to the playing hall when Hisa was playing. Plus with Maho we found a rarity, a undeveloped ability user, meaning that Maho literally only discovered hers when she staring playing in middle school. Quote:
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Himeko won't be the next Kana, Himeko will probably finish the match with a okay score. I say that look is more because of the pressure that Awai has built up around the table with her ability. Quote:
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Also do you think that if Shizu relaxed for a second Ryuuka or Himeko wouldn't jump on her. Ryuuka saw Shizu's comeback victory in the quarter-finals dropping Shizu to a place where she can't cause an upset is somewhere Ryuuka would want to send her. Quote:
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Interesting as it is, Shiraitodai have been built up as the team that would finally make Kiyosumi have to go all out, meaning no busting a team in the lieutenants round, Yuuki cannot hold back against Teru, doing so will put Kiyosumi to far behind in the finals, Nodoka and Saki must play in the finals, if they don't Kiyosumi will most likely lose, even badly. Yes Yuuki, Mako, and Hisa are good players, but Takami can possibly Yakuman spam, and Teru can actually get Takami the point wall she needs to help her built her final hand. Teru didn't use her full power in the semi-finals. She's going to use what she couldn't in the semi-finals in the finals. Sumire can play well without her ability, also I think Sumire will find out about her tell, also I think she may know how to actually hit speedy hands. Takami still has the chance for a yakuman spam, meaning a real challenge for both Hisa and Ako having to overcome. Seiko ...No comment Awai has not had her ability defeated, Himeko's key stops her 5 shaten, Ryuuka has limited foresight uses, and iit seems Shizu needs to take a while before her ability starts to take effect. Also Awai's kan ability is pretty much built to challenge Saki for the dead wall. Also Awai having her ability related to kan, really makes her seem like a replacement for Saki to Teru. Also something interesting I noticed with Shizu's ability: First remember Shizu stopped playing Mahjong in middle school Second it seems that abilities seem to really come through and be noticed by people in Middle school Third Shizu started playing again in high school, where only 2 ability users are in her club Fourth with her ability being to block over ability users wins, she wouldn't really notice it at first, and with Yuu and Kuro having magnet abilities, which she wouldn't really be able to stop In conclusion, what I'm saying Shizu's ability is sporadic because it didn't develop properly like everyone else's did, meaning Harue literally would have to jump start it the nationals, because it seems Nara only has 2 ability users. So what I'm saying Shizu is only now getting proper development for her ability, unlike say Yuuki, who knew about hers since middles school, which pretty much allowed for Hisa to help Yuuki get the power ups she needed. On another note I hope Ritz has a fast recovery. I know what would hold us over until next month for the Achiga-hen chapter, how about episode 15 of the anime, hint, hint animation studio. Something I really am looking forward to in the anime, is how they will animate Ryuuka's foresight of to see the path to her winning hand, they did a great job with how they showed Toki looking forward 2 turns, them 3, and I feel the music really fitted, and how they will show Himeko activating her key. Last edited by Bladezer; 2013-02-15 at 22:35. |
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2013-02-15, 22:21 | Link #3003 | |
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Like I give a damn what "fan" sites say. The official names are still in the Eastern order, never mind that most sources that bother to write down the kanji writes in the Eastern Order. |
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2013-02-15, 22:46 | Link #3004 | |
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Other reasons to believe that Shizuno will turn out to be a monster: 1) It seems obvious that Achiga is headed to the finals, which means the stronger Shizuno is, the more interesting it makes the final. So why the hell wouldn't they make her a monster? (Also, if she isn't a saki-level, then all those people complaining about Achiga not derserving to go to final will be right (I will be one of them. I only support Achiga on the assumption that Shizuno is a monster)). 2) To keep things interesting in the finals, Saki must face at least one opponent stronger than Kuromo. I don't consider Himeko, Awai, or Ryuuka to be stronger than Kuromo, so it can't be them. The only one with the potential (on side A) to become a monster that surpasses Kuromo is Shizuno. ;-------------------------------- On personal level, I find Saki to be arrogant and overpowered a lot of the time. I want someone to, if not defeat her, then at least put her through hell in the finals. Awai is not capable of doing this (look how much she is struggling in the semi-finals). Someone who can wipe the floor with Awai, however, might just be the right power level for some serious Saki crushing, which is what I am hoping for from Shizuno. |
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2013-02-16, 00:57 | Link #3005 | ||
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I might be wrong, but the key criteria to determine which team (other than Achiga) will advance is not their strength, but "which team would make the finals more interesting". In other words, the team which would make the finals the most fun to watch stands the best chance of advancing. Boring characters and abilities lower a team chances and popular characters with interesting abilities raise a team's chances. Using this metric, Shiraitodai's chances are poor, especially compared to Senriyama. Think about which player from each team would make the vanguar/Sergeant/lieutenant/vice-captain/captain battle most interesting in the final. ;-------------------------------- VANGUARD POSITION 1) Shiraitodai: Miyanaga Teru No question that Teru is insanely strong, but that is not necessarilly good for her chances. There are two possibilities if Teru makes the final, both of which don't really work: A) Vanguard battle is carbon copy of what happens in the semi-finals. Three or four chapters of Teru kicking everyone's ass while racking up points. Powerful yes, but BORING AS HELL (especially if you are right about Teru "not using her full power in the semi-finals."). B) Teru does poorly in vandard battle. Saki's invinsible sister is no longer invincible. (increadibly unlikely) Do you really want to read another four chapters of everyone desperately trying to stop Teru's rampage? Or do you want to see the all-powerful Teru do poorly (win by less then 30000)? Teru getting to the finals just doesn't really work. 2) Senriyama: Onjouji Toki One of the most popular characters with a very fun ability. Seeing her struggle against more powerful opponents would be more fun than watching another Teru massacre. 3) Shindouji: Hanada Kirame Barely better than a Teru massacre, but still boring. She doesn't add anything to Vanguard battle. ;-------------------------------- SERGEANT POSITION 1) Shiraitodai: Hirose Sumire Hard to see her as being that interesting. With her tell exposed (good chance other schools might pick up on it too), it would be hard to use her arrows. Without her arrows, she is just a good player without a particularly interesting personality. She won't do badly in terms of points, but it won't be that interesting. 2) Senriyama: Nijou Izumi Hard to tell. If she can avoid being dominated again, she could potential be interesting. Personallity wise more interesting than Hirose, but still blah. 3) Shindouji: Yasukouchi Yoshiko She is a robot right? No personallity/emotions when playing mahjong. Not interesting, but not really worse than the two other possibilities. ;-------------------------------- LIEUTENANT POSITION 1) Shiraitodai: Shibuya Takami Potentially powerful, but not interesting. A bland character with a borring ability. Sure she could potentially win a lot of points if she is dealer last, but would that make up for her doing nothing the rest of the time? Verdict: equally boring as another Teru massacre. 2) Senriyama: Eguchi Sera No special abilities, but one of the more interesting character. Even if she loses points, watching her would be more interesting than Shibuya Takami and her boring ability. 3) Shindouji: Ezaki Hitomi Do we really want to listen to her again, as she conplains "it is all the government's fault" as she loses points like mad? (the posibility of her doing well is zero (in my opinion)) ;-------------------------------- VICE-CAPTAIN POSITION 1) Shiraitodai: Matano Seiko least powerful member of Shiraitodai, and not that interesting either. Don't really want to see her get her ass kicked again. 2) Senriyama: Funakubo Hiroko Awsome character, powerful too. Would be ten times more fun to watch in the finals than Matano Seiko. Would also be really interesting to see how she stacks up against Nodoka. 3) Shindouji: Shirouzu Mairu Finally, a member of Shindouji that is interesting, powerful, and has a fun ability. More mahjong bondage. ;-------------------------------- CAPTAIN POSITION 1) Shiraitodai: Oohoshi Awai All three captains are powerful and interesting. 2) Senriyama: Shimizudani Ryuuka All three captains are powerful and interesting. 3) Shindouji: Tsuruta Himeko All three captains are powerful and interesting. ;-------------------------------- Judging by "which team would make the finals more interesting", Senriyama wins hands down with only one potentially uninteresting player. Although their chances of winning might be lower than Shiraitodai, watching them would be fun, and that is why I see them as the team most likely to advance after Achiga. Last edited by cedec0; 2013-02-16 at 03:08. |
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*sigh....* While I know that people's opinion won't be changed easily, I never knew it was this hard to convince someone that a player who just won 1 time is not a monster. *facepalm* pop quiz : 1. Did Shizu won against Koromo? a) Yes b) No c) No but she's awesome enough that Komoro feels the need to warn Saki d) Ofc not! 2. What did Koromo warn Saki about Shizuno a) She's a monster b) She can cancel other people's power c) She's way stronger then Koromo (despite the fact that she never won against Koromo) d) Did she? Nah that's just her picking out topic to talk with Saki. 3. Is Saki arrogant? a) Yes b) No c) Despite the fact that she never gloat, never gives out bad expression, never mock someone, Her being Shizuno's opponent in the final makes her arrogant by default d) She's Shizuno's opponent, that makes her better then Shizuno in any way, so No. 4. Does eavein18 understand why people want Saki to suffer? a) Yes (Shizuno have to beat her mwahahahaha!!!) b) No (she has suffer enough already) c) Yes (she cry even when she win, so she needs to be beaten) d) Why did you make a quiz about your self stupid? -0-0-0-0-0-0-0- If you choose : a) You're a die-hard-fans that thought all character despite Shizuno is bad/evil b) You're neutral on stuff (or you're eavein18) c) You're Shizuno's fan d) You're Shizuno's hater -0-0-0-0-0-0-0- Fans will love, hater will hate eavein18 accept that fans believe that Shizuno is a monster but eavein18 didn't accept fans saying Saki is arrogant to Shizuno's fans that say Saki is arrogant, eavein18 could only say "how blind can you be" |
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2013-02-16, 01:38 | Link #3007 |
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Now Shiritodai not making it to the finals would be an amusing and admittedly interesting twist, it would completely invalidate the Saki episode 26 preview shots of Teru vs Yukki so ultimately Shiratodai not making it would make no sense. We have to face facts, it's going to be Shiratodai regardless of their so called lackluster semi final's performance and what is increasingly looking like a build up to Achiga going as well especially with all the build up as Shizuno being set up as a "rival" to Saki.
Not to mention if Shizuno somehow manages to take first and humble Awai, you'll have supernova-chan out for Shizu's head and to get her in bed, not necessarily in that order. |
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Personally, Saki has begun to give me the same feeling as Takumi from Initial D: horribly overpowered, never facing an opponent with any realistic chance at victory (i stopped reading Initial D because I got sick of Takumi always winning with ridiculous ease.) Saki has yet to play a serious match against an opponent that gave her any difficulty (the only reason she struggled against Koromo was she wasn't fighting at 100% (her shoes were on)). Her power level is far above Koromo who is herself a monster. I don't want to see Saki crush a clearly inferior opponent (Awai) because that is boring. If Saki is going to stay interesting we need another monster far stronger than Koromo who can at least fight a shoeless Saki without automatically being crushed. That is what I was thinking when I wrote "I want someone to, if not defeat her, then at least put her through hell in the finals. " I don't hate Saki, but she needs to face a real opponent (a monster on her level) or the finals are going to be disapointingly boring. Quote:
;-------------------------------- eavein18, here are some questions for you: Do you enjoy seeing Saki crush and toy with clearly weaker opponents? Do you think Awai (who is clearly less impressive than Kuromo) stands any chance against Saki (who completely crushed Kuromo and is even stronger now thanks to training)? Why does the possibility that Saki might FINALLY face an opponent on her level (Shizuno) bother you so much? You do realize that if Shizuno isn't a monster, then Awai will be the strongest opponent from Side A and the finals will be another boring one-sided victory for Saki? |
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2013-02-16, 03:29 | Link #3013 | |
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I say that because Shiritodai's team seems designed to play the role of "last boss" in the semi-finals in Achiga-hen: VANGUARD POSITION Everyone VS Miyanaga Teru (winner) ;-------------------------------- SERGEANT POSITION Matsumi Yuu (winner) VS Shibuya Takami ;-------------------------------- LIEUTENANT POSITION Atarashi Ako & Eguchi Sera (winners) VS Shibuya Takami Also, Takimi seems like an opponent designed for Ako: Atarashi Ako's play style (scoring via quick hands with small point totals) backfires against her somewhat (makes it hard for Ako to resist winning and extending her dealership, thus increasing Takimi's power as a result.) ;-------------------------------- VICE-CAPTAIN POSITION Everyone (winner) VS Matano Seiko ;-------------------------------- CAPTAIN POSITION Everyone (winner?) VS Oohoshi Awai Since Shiritodai played the role of last boss in Achiga-hen, they are unlikely to be in the finals (they can't be the "last boss" two times). This would also explain why Shiritodai has disapointed so many: the current Shiritodai was never designed to make in to the finals. They were a team designed to be defeated by Achiga. This is also why all the players except for Teru have been so disapointing: their credibily/threat level doesn't need to be maintained for the finals since they won't be there. |
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2013-02-16, 03:38 | Link #3014 |
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First thing first, for ShizuxAwai pair to kick start, Shizu has prove herself worthy for Awai.
To begin Shizu has to stop Awai from lusting over Himeko (this is most essential) by breaking kazoe yakuman key, something even Awai herself couldn't achieve. This imediatelly draws Awai's attention away from Himeko and toward Shizu. Next, Shizu has to stop RyuukaxToki foresight which is the other thing that can stop Awai's Ron Kan Ura. Lastly, Shizu has to mock Awai by snatching away first place engraving her name forever in Awai's head. And there you have it folks, from that moment forth Awai will not be able to stop thinking about Shizu for better or worse. With this outcome, we not only get Awai insanely lusting over Shizu, but also Shizu ability will be confirmed the strongest in the match. Look at it this way. Ability vs. Ability Awai kan ura vs. Himeko key: Himeko wins + 1 Awai kan ura vs. Ryuuka foresight: Ryuuka wins + 1 Himeko key vs. Ryuuka foresight: Himeko wins + 1 Shizuno ??? vs. Everyone else on the table: Shizuno wins + 3 Final verdic for strongest ability is: 1st Shizuno 3 pts 2nd Himeko 2 pts 3rd Ryuuka 1 pts Lst Awai 0 pts. OMG Awai has the weakest ability on the table. |
2013-02-16, 04:25 | Link #3015 |
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i may be old school,but i cannot imagine a final withouth shiratodai;remember saki original motivation to participate in the natinal:meet her one-chan and "talk to her through majong".
so i believe they have the same plot armor than ashiga with nodoka-in fact,i would say even greater:remember the flash back of saki about the mysterious girl in a weelchair. only at the final its meaning could be revealed through another falsh-back(this time perhaps from teru). so let's be realist,it will be kiyosumi,shiratodai,ashiga and for the last place-etheir usuzan or rinkai=that's the only suspense. |
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The definition of arrogant is -exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one's own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner - showing an offensive attitude of superiority To my knowledge, Saki has never displayed any of these traits. In fact, her characterization runs on the opposite direction. Heck, I could even say that Saki's major weakness is her ridiculously low self confidence and the fact that she overestimates her opponents. As for the +/- zero thing, its more of a residual habit than anything else. She used this style since she was six, of course its going to be hard to shake of. Beside that, Saki doing +/- zero is never a display of arrogance. She doesn't think, "You're all so weak, I'm going to handicap myself to make this match semi-interesting." In fact, from the last chapter, her thought process could be summed up as, "My opponents are too strong, so I'll just aim for +/- zero." I think the reason why you and perhaps many others find this arrogant is because +/- zero is essentially a handicap. If someone does that, she must be looking down on her opponents, yes? That is a very logical extrapolation. The problem with that and Saki's case is as Tsunade666 has succinctly summed up recently "Saki has a few screws loose in her head." A careful reading between the line will show you that what Saki thinks and what the reality actually is has a vast difference. In fact regarding the +/-zero, I would be willing to bet that Saki never thought of it as a handicap. I would be even to go further and say that Saki thinks of +/-zero as nothing especial and anyone can do it as long as they work hard on it. And you can't really fault her for thinking that way. On the subject of Saki being overpowered. I do agree that Saki is certainly more powerful than most and it would certainly be a problem if there would be no one to challenge her. But, I find that so far, Ritz-sensei hasn't let us down. On the major matches that Saki has participated so far, every one of them has been interesting. And really, the person that you must compare to Saki is not Awai or Shizu. They might be her opponents for the final match but they aren't exactly her end goal. If Saki is ever going to have a rival in this tournament, its going to be the person that she wants to talk to in mahjong very badly. You know the other overpowered Miyanaga that is terrorizing everyone in the tournament for the past 3 years?
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2013-02-16, 04:37 | Link #3017 |
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Perhaps it has been mentioned before, but I just realized that Achiga is going to be a surprising nasty opponent for Saki and her friends:
VANGUARD POSITION Matsumi Kuro hoarding all the dora tiles is likely to hurt Kataoka Yuuki's fast-paced, high-scoring style. SERGEANT POSITION Matsumi Yuu's playing style is so unique that Someya Mako is unlikely to have never seen anything like it. This means all her accumulated Mahjong experience will be useless against Yuu. LIEUTENANT POSITION Atarashi Ako's style of scoring via quick hands with small point totals makes her the worst possible opponent for Takei Hisa, who goes for bigger hands using "hell waits". VICE-CAPTAIN POSITION To someone like Haramura Nodoka who plays logically and expects her opponents to play logically, Sagimori Arata's weird bowling-type style is likely to cause problems. Nadoka will probably play into Arata's hand because she isn't expecting such illogical waits. CAPTAIN POSITION Don't have all the details on this except that Koromo warns Saki that Shizuno is going to be a "troublesome opponent". ;-------------------------------- In other words, Achiga is made up of players whose styles make them the worst possible opponents for Kiyosumi. This guarrantees that Achiga will be in the finals: Achiga is the true "last boss" for Kiyosumi, not Shiraitodai. |
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This assumes Achiga is going 1 on 1 with Kiyosumi but sure what the heck.
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2013-02-16, 05:30 | Link #3020 |
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Koromo is more suited for toying her opponent, not Saki...
The +/- 0 is a defensive mechanism... as mentioned by others... Her screw loose due to her 'colorful' childhood can be explain with Erik Erikson's theory... It may seems like (and is depending on ones view point) insulting in the eyes of some who fought against her especially to those who noticed her doing so but that is not the case in her eye... they may feel insulted but that was not her intentions... A defensive mechanism is a form of facade one use when they are put in an unlikable situation... And its not like Saki's been doing +/- 0 all the time... minus the first few ch, the individual and the recent one in the nationals, she aced them with flying colors even with her match against Koromo... In every acation there's an equal opposite reaction... |
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