2012-10-17, 09:38 | Link #22 |
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i think there'l be one more flashback, explaining what happened to.. tobi? spiral zetsu
unless that zetsu was still part of obito when deidara exploded and thats how it died, (which could even explain the goofy tobi) and the hyperbolic time chamber for training has been explained too.. the infinite tsukiyomi genjutsu, just like itachi's tsukiyomi can probably alter the perception of time, so obito could learn yonton and all the neccessary kinjutsu's to fight almost on minato's level years later also from how this chapter played out, it may be that by "transplanting" his eyes,madara might have done something similar to itachi transfering his amaterasu ability that time to sasuke (and perhaps he'd only have normal eyes underneath afterwards) because i'm not sure how you'd rip out a child's eyes and put in your own "without them even noticing" although, with genjutsu... and hell, nagato prob had a zetsu body guard to ensure he didn't accidentally blow up before obito could get to him one question is where do you guys see obito bringing rin's body to his dimension? i didnt get that impression in the chapter overall, i think i like this back story and development. it all works for changing obito, i can suspend my disbelief enough to accept this all especially since it's looking more and more like madara was in charge of the whole mizukage incident, which is why the mist attacked rin in the first place
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2012-10-17, 10:24 | Link #23 |
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I'm unsure how to feel about this chapter. On one hand, there was some fun info: B.Zetsu being Madara's "will" is interesting, though I am confused as to what the black rod and "Rikudou no Jutsu" are (is the black rod the same as the tool Nagato used?), and Gedou-chan being the Jyubi's shell makes a lot of sense (it's a little stupid to think that the Jyuubi won't awaken if you shove all its parts back inside, but whatever). On the other hand, the fact that Obito turns based solely on Rin is a very hard pill to swallow, especially considering that Kakashi will probably be able to explain away the entire situation in just a few chapters (effectively making the emotional brunt of Obito's flashback pointless). And, Madara beign at the heart of everything is a little too simplistic (I expect to learn next chapter that Tobi and B.Zetsu were responsible for Danzou and Hanzou betraying Nagato).
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2012-10-17, 10:32 | Link #24 | |
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wouldn't even mind if madara stole the just as planned catchphrase, at least he actually did some planning *also with the black rods, (how phallic that they're coming out of hashirama's lower abdomen, willthe gay jokes between these two ever stop) didn't obito have the black rods coming out of him in the last chapter with hiss rampage?
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2012-10-17, 10:36 | Link #25 |
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Rinnegan transfer
Can someone explain something to me, why hasn't Madara transfered the Rinnegan from Nagato to Obito right after Obito acquired the senju cells! I mean at that point Obito was able to use the Rinnegan (he even proved it by transplanting the Rinnegan in his right eyes socket later), this way controlling Nagato would not have been necessary!
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2012-10-17, 10:45 | Link #26 | |
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^ Hadn't he already given them to Nagato? Anyway, okay chapter in that a lot of things are finally clear, albeit with the nasty aftertaste of
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2012-10-17, 11:54 | Link #28 |
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Good chapter that slowly brings everything together, but still adds to a mess for Kishi.
- How come MAdara couldn't keep his Rinnegan eyes and use a path to bring himself back to his young self - remember Nagato did when he absorbed chakra during edo - Why did Madara give his eyes to Nagato, why him!? - WHat happened to Kakashi & Rin, where's the reflection? - What happened to black zetsu and why was he treated as fodder this entire time when it was Madara's consciousness? - I fill Kishi pulled these twists out of his butt - obito should've said "You must be Madara" because he never saw Madara's young self. |
2012-10-17, 12:47 | Link #31 | |
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What I liked about this chapter is that it filled in a lot of missing information. (Madara's Death, Black Zetsu's Origin, Black chakra rods, Gedo Mazou, etc) What I didn't like was that Kishi tried to fit all of it into one chapter. I was hoping that Black Zetsu would turn out to be more than something that could be explained in a single panel. And now that it seems we have to full story of Obito's journey to the Dark Side, I have to agree that it doesn't hold together so well. He just goes along with Madara's plan way too easily. He didn't even want to know why Kakashi killed Rin?
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2012-10-17, 13:12 | Link #32 |
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"I guess it's because you let Rin die"
He wasn't lying. The part he left out was that he did not directly hold Kakashi responsible for it. I do believe he is somewhat aware of his lunacy. It's just that he accepts it. |
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It would be even more entertaining and constructive to the discussion if you backed up some claims like which "twits" you're unsatisfied with, and why you feel they are pulled out of his butt? |
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2012-10-17, 13:21 | Link #34 | |
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Real people started real wars because of love and such things. People are selfish, they care more about one loved person's fate than the fate of thousands of unknown people. Even the great "will of fire" and all that "king" stuff is just Konoha people caring about other konoha people, they didn't give a shit about how they messed up the rain country. As for killing people in war, it doesn't really matter to Obito any more, since the main goal of his plan is to end the world and create a new one. I liked this chapter, but the main questions were not explained or only partially explained, will they remain a plot hole or not is still unclear. Such questions as: - why did Madara leave Nagato alone with his precious eyes in a war zone, or maybe Zetsu was watching him the whole time, maybe even killed his parents to make him hate konoha and the ninja system. I can accept if this is not explained now if the explanation is that both the death of Nagato's parents and Rin were made by Madara. Then this might be explained later when Obito turns against Madara or something similar. - how did Obito's personality turn into the masked guy who fought Minato. And why did he attack Konoha like that if he already had akatsuki to collect the 9 demons in order (kyuubi should be last). - what's with all those scenes where Obito tells he is Madara even when it's a stupid or crazy thing to do. Was he under black zetsu's mental influence? An interesting sentence in this chapter: "Nagato is from the Senju lineage" So Uzumaki is now also Senju, it's kinda messy now Also nothing has been answered about Madara. When his clan "betrayed" him and he left the village did he go to attend a university to learn about cell biology? The chapter says he implanted Hashirama's cells into his wound, if that wound is the same as where Kabuto placed the Hashirama face then why would the whole world think that Madara is dead, that wound was not that large. The chapter also tells that Sasuke can't possibly awaken the rinnegan if he doesn't have senju cells, that doesn't sound good for Sasuke Unless it turns out that the reason Sasuke's father was talking so much about Sasuke to his mother is because he and Obito/Tobi had genetically implanted Hashirama's DNA into Sasuke's embryo. That sure would be a fun revelation Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2012-10-17 at 13:40. |
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obito kept his MS since the kamui power is so useful there's no reason to give it up for another rinnegan when he could just use both. i assume he has the other one in storage like the rest of his backup sharingans |
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2012-10-17, 13:51 | Link #37 | |
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To be honest, some of these really aren't even that relevant, as they are almost self-explanatory, like the details of how Madara expected Nagato to survive in a "warzone"(either zetsu clones watching over him and/or the eyes themselves being protection), or how Obito's personality turned into the masked man who fought Minato (this weeks chapter showcaseing Obito's new world paradigm should probably be sufficent for that one). These are by no means "large plot-holes", they're nothing more than trivial little anomolies that aren't answered yet --some of them so trivial that the plot wouldn't affected if they remained unanswered. |
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2012-10-17, 13:56 | Link #38 | |
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No, Tobi's reasoning and thought-process is stupid. He is yet another clear indicator that only idiots seem to get massive power in the Narutoverse (and as usual, the idiots always seem to fuck everything up). |
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2012-10-17, 14:00 | Link #39 |
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Rin's spirit wasn't sealed or anything like that, it sounds simpler to revive her using one of the two jutsu introduced that can achieve that then pick up a fight against the world in order to be with an illusion of the one you love...
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2012-10-17, 14:03 | Link #40 |
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She still wouldn't love him. Obito is going around the bend not only to bring her back (which she won't actually be brought back, he'll just "dream" she is), but also to brainwash her into loving him (or at least he is creating an artificial version of her that loves him).
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