[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Ep. 3 Banquet of the golden witch

[ijriims]

Extending the religion theme, Kyrie was used in prayer, meaning "O Lord".

Eva meant "life" or "living one" (Hey, she was the survivor in EP3, wasn't she?)

Rudolf meant "fame" or "wolf" (In divine comedy, Dante met a she-wolf in the Inferno, and that she-wolf had problem of too strong sexual desire and wantonness.)

Rosa meant "rose", and you knew virgin mary. (Or you can think of the always disappearing rose, so extending this metaphor, Rosa should be here but could not be found...)

Maria was also virgin mary...

Krauss.... someone with curly hair.................

With some other names' meaning:

George : Farmer or earth-worker....

Jessica: The God is watching, or rich (surely she was rich)

Battler: Obviously made up name by Ryukishi07, but he was also living up his name.

Shannon: little wise owl...

Kanon (Canon?) : church official

[ameskitty]

Originally Posted by Metaler

I'm a little hesitant, since I'm trying to avoid as many spoilers as possible. But I don't think there's anything major on those lyrics, right? I mean, it's the damn opening. xD

Not that I noticed, no, but it's really up to you . Some advice though - don't find the lyrics on Youtube, or at least don't look at the comments there. People are pretty merciless with spoilers.

What I wouldn't do is post about anything you've noticed there in spoilers/speculations (where it'd fit, unfortunately) until you've read EP 5 :/. Some people mark their spoilers for untranslated portions but a lot of minor spoilers and I think a few major ones do show up "in the open".

[Metaler]

Originally Posted by the_rogue

Not that I noticed, no, but it's really up to you . Some advice though - don't find the lyrics on Youtube, or at least don't look at the comments there. People are pretty merciless with spoilers.

What I wouldn't do is post about anything you've noticed there in spoilers/speculations (where it'd fit, unfortunately) until you've read EP 5 :/. Some people mark their spoilers for untranslated portions but a lot of minor spoilers and I think a few major ones do show up "in the open".

Oh, I see. Thanks for the heads up! \o
I won't even look at the 1st page of the spoiler thread. xD
Thanks again!

Battler: Obviously made up name by Ryukishi07, but he was also living up his name.

I think this is actually a given name... I don't remember so well, but I think it's a polish name.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by ijriims

Rosa meant "rose", and you knew virgin mary. (Or you can think of the always disappearing rose, so extending this metaphor, Rosa should be here but could not find...)

Uh? What's the connection between Rose and Mary?
BTW rosa can also mean "pink" however it's probably the other meaning.

[AmyElizzabeth]

Rosa is German for Pink.
I'm in German, and sometimes Rose's can be pink

[Arbane the Terrible]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Uh? What's the connection between Rose and Mary?
BTW rosa can also mean "pink" however it's probably the other meaning.

Probably the bit with Maria searching for 'her' rose in the garden. (Which kicks off a lot of the plot in most arcs.)

[Jan-Poo]

Not Maria, the virgin Mary.

[ijriims]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Not Maria, the virgin Mary.

Early Christians identified the five petals of the rose with the five wounds of Christ. Despite this interpretation, their leaders were hesitant to adopt it because of its association with Roman excesses and pagan ritual. The red rose was eventually adopted as a symbol of the blood of the Christian martyrs. Roses also later came to be associated with the Virgin Mary.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose#History

[vendredi]

Nice catch ijrims with the other names, and the rose-Virgin Mary connection. The only other outright Christian name in the family group is Eva (Eve), wife of Adam, mother of all men, but also in Genesis she is the one who is first tempted by the serpent with the forbidden fruit of knowledge and in turn tempts her husband Adam with it.

Given Eva's role as the first to discover the gold in this episode the name is surprisingly fitting as well. The other names are not direct Biblical allusions, but the English meanings behind the names certainly fit the characters. Again, I'm pretty sure it's all intentionally planned out - they're certainly not names the author decided to pick at random.

[KanonTheFurniture]

I've heard of the Virgin Mary referred to as Rosamaria as well. My mom's name is Rosemary, and that side of our family is completely Italian, so her live-in grandmother who spoke no English always called her Rosamaria when she was young, and that's who her namesake . I don't know the specific reason why that in addition to just 'Maria' is used to refer to the Virgin, but I know this is not the first time I've heard that connection.

[Dlanor A. Knox]

Originally Posted by AmyElizzabeth

Rosa is German for Pink.
I'm in German, and sometimes Rose's can be pink

Rosa....pink rose.... she suffers alot because of her familly.... injured rose.... ........

[Metaler]

Originally Posted by Dlanor A. Knox

Rosa....pink rose.... she suffers alot because of her familly.... injured rose.... ........

This reminds of the withered rose which Maria finds. Maybe it reminds her of her mother's suffering?

[KanonTheFurniture]

Think about it in a different way. Maria is always obsessively looking for that rose, insisting it is there, but it isn't. She can't find it even though it should be there. Can't you say the same for her mother's love?

[Dlanor A. Knox]

... wow ... Maria... she really loves her mother...
still I think that Rosa loves Maria deep down in her heart...(even tough she sux being a mum)
why else should she make Sakutaro for her?

[Workworkwork]

Originally Posted by Dlanor A. Knox

... wow ... Maria... she really loves her mother...
still I think that Rosa loves Maria deep down in her heart...(even tough she sux being a mum)
why else should she make Sakutaro for her?

She didn't make Sakutarou. She bought off Maria's love.

[Kitsu]

She didn't make Sakutarou. She bought off Maria's love.

You can't prove she didn't

[Workworkwork]

Originally Posted by Kitsu

You can't prove she didn't

You can't prove she did.

[ijriims]

I would say there is no use to argue with Workworkwork about Rosa's love towards Maria.

Until he or she is willing to accept it, nothing (perhaps except Ryukishi07's own words) can change his or her mind.

[momobunny]

Yeah you're right, I might as well not even bother. ^^;

[momobunny]

Originally Posted by Workworkwork

I really fail to see how a material gift translates into love. I guess I should buy everyone I've ever pissed off a toy, that means I love them!

Who said it translates to love? ^^;
(Well okay, Dlanor did... but I didn't. ^^; )

Meanwhile, I hope you guys know that this is the thread for EP3... because I almost forgot myself. owo;