2012-04-03, 15:37 | Link #201 |
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Yeah, that's another thing I meant to address..... while I definitely don't believe that Smoker's journey has ended in the long run, I AM pretty sure that he'll be MIA for the time being now that Law took his heart. Also, for those saying that separating an organ is the same as splitting apart limbs, I still disagree with you guys because we can clearly see that Smoker's heart was contained in what was either a block of ice or a "compressed" version of Law's room (which goes back to what I said about innards being a lot more fragile when compared to limbs, so they'd need to be handled with a lot more care than some talking legs.....).
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2012-04-03, 19:53 | Link #202 |
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^ Shambles and Mes
Containing the heart is a important thing. Smoker is a Logia. If that heart is set free or Law looses focus Smoker has a chance to change his heart back to smoke and bring it back in. Law used two different methods. This is not shambles. If shambles was used on the heart it should make no difference at all. Is the Heart more fragile then the rest of the body part? Yes, but it still does not mean it is the exception ,once shamble is used on any part of the body the affects mean the part can operate while still being separate. You are trying to compare the heart in Laws hands to the body parts flying around as if they were used by the same technique. Law used shamble on all of them but for Smoker heart he used Mes. For your theory to be right Law would have to use shambles on the heart. Second if Law used shambles instead of Mes he would have had no affect on Smoker. But lets say he did use it on Smoker and was successful. What is to stop smoker from turning his body parts into smoke and reforming himself? Last edited by grey_1960; 2012-04-03 at 20:19. |
2012-04-04, 12:37 | Link #205 | |
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I dunno.... to me, it feels like it's the other way around. I mean, the way you and some others talk about it, you guys seem to see the heart as the same as any limbs that get split apart by "Shambles".... that is, that it won't really come to any harm even if it's taken outside of the body. Still, maybe it's just my crazy imagination, but I really can't help but think that a heart, lungs, liver or any vital organs are WAY too delicate when compared to a limb. That is, merely touching them would cause near-unendurable pain to their owners. I mean, I know someone else mentioned why the limbs can move independently from the head, but at least in that case, the brain is still "intact" (i.e. the brain is still protected by flash and bone), which right there is a clear difference between "shambles" and "mes". That being said, I really feel that if Law really intended to kill Smoker, he could have crushed his heart like a tomato right then and there. However, he placed it in some sort of container instead, as if to keep it safe. Now if there really were no risk in separating the heart from the body, why not just leave it alone so it could flop around like a fish out of water? To be honest, I don't really buy the whole idea of Smoker making his heart intangible, because as powerful as logias are, they haven't really shown that they can control their vitals independently from the rest of their body. If anything, just keeping the thing out in the elements would be enough to kill Smokey (what with the cold weather and all). And couple that with the fact that the VA clearly keeled over after getting his heart stolen (which some people seem to keep ignoring for some reason), and I can feel fairly certain that organs need much more careful handling than limbs..... And that concludes my long rant of the week! Yeah, curse that lazy sloth Oda! Why'd he have to take a break now, of all times! He better make next week's chapter twice as long to make up for this! |
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2012-04-04, 19:41 | Link #207 | |
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Taking a break is his prerogative you know. Although it is bad timing You should calm down man. It's just a manga at the end of the day.
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2012-04-05, 09:33 | Link #210 | |
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Hey now, I'm not the one who rages at my favorite manga authors whenever they go on a break! I'm more than used to Togashi and Miura's sabbaticals by this point. It still amuses me whenever I see people at other forums kick up a fuss, though. And besides, I've still got series like Jojo, Toriko and Shingeki no Kyojin to (consistently) tide me over anyway, so you won't see any genuine complaints from my end. |
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2012-04-05, 09:51 | Link #211 |
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methinks oda-sensei is busy with his baby. at least he's trying to be a good father. for years his life has been one piece, now he's got a family to think about. i don't really mind the break, it's just a week after all. it just makes me a bit sad though. without op my manga-reading week is not complete.
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2012-04-06, 14:40 | Link #214 | |
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2012-04-06, 18:42 | Link #215 | |
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As for Oda taking a break, he deserves every bit of it. According to interviews with him, he sleeps 4 hours per month and last year he only went home once.
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2012-04-06, 19:30 | Link #216 | |
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So do investment bankers.
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There are many possibilities, but I don't think any of this is too important to the plot.
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2012-04-07, 09:39 | Link #218 | |
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lol yeah, I had even said in the SBS thread that the 4 hours a month thing was a typo on my end. This is Greg's quote from his Blue Deep summary:
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I mean, if Oda only had 4 hours total of sleep a month, he'd.... kind of die of exhaustion, heh. Though 4 hours of sleep a night doesn't sound the most healthy either. Honestly, I'd say the guy is more deserving of a Togashi-length hiatus than Togashi himself..... Anyways, putting aside discussion of Oda's work ethics (as well as the argument over the mechanics of Law's power), I want to go back to my earlier theory of the PH master being the samurai's son. Upon thinking about it more, I think it would be a really interesting twist because it could potentially trigger a rather interesting response from the WG. Remember, it was already mentioned that the Wano country is a state that exists outside of the WG's jurisdiction. So what consequences would occur if the WG's upper echelon discovered that one of the Wano people was dealing in some shady business at a location that's even restricted to most government personnel.....? |
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2012-04-07, 11:22 | Link #219 |
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It would be interesting if PH master (ie M) is the samurais son there are some holes either way. I do agree there is no other visible character that could obviously be be the samurais son, and the fact that he wasn't spoken for in the biscuits room is peculiar. A samurai son doing science away from wano country is a little odd though. One thing that comes to mind: the samurai child is a giant child. What if on extremely rare occasions normal humans can give birth to giants and vice versa, that would explain the varying sizes of people.. PH could also be giga-sizing the children.. |
2012-04-10, 09:45 | Link #220 |
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Hey guys, just putting out a quick reminder that yes, there will be a chapter this week. So expect the new thread to come along within the next 24 hours.
UPDATE: And it just came along! Last edited by marvelB; 2012-04-11 at 01:51. |
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