The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Episode 10 Discussion / Poll [2006 TV ep. 6]

[C.A.]

A few possibilities. She may have realized that she didn't know which room it was. More likely she knew what they were going to find at some level. At least that's what I'm thinking.

Maybe her detective senses tell her that something is wrong and she hesitates.

Or her god-like senses tells her that someone has died and she hesitates.

But I think it was a faked death, theres too little blood at the wound, and no blood spilled. It's just not possible when youre stabbed at this part of the body.

[ApathyEcstasy]

Originally Posted by RunningTARGET

Being forced on a relationship seems ugly but its not all so bad, after all Japan has a great deal of aranged marriages, though awkward at first they get used to it as they get to know each other. I'm sure Kyon will get used to it down the road.

lol way to go generalizing based on animes and dramas..japan does NOT have a great deal of arranged marriages, very little to almost none infact.. even among the extremely wealthy and powerful

[Cal-Reflector]

Originally Posted by Village Idiot

I'm willing to bet that it's really Kyon that started the entire mess 3 years ago and not Haruhi.

Remember the foreshadowing set down in the film in the first episode, which contained more truths than we first thought (Correctly pointing out all the people's true identitities)?

Perhaps, when the moment of truth came, Kyon (in the movie, represented by... forgot his name, Esper-smiley boy) ended up picking Mikuru instead of Haruhi. And the world as they knew it three-years ago came to an abrupt end.

[melange]

Originally Posted by ApathyEcstasy

lol way to go generalizing based on animes and dramas..japan does NOT have a great deal of arranged marriages, very little to almost none infact.. even among the extremely wealthy and powerful

Yes and no. "Arranged marriages" or 'Miai's still make up 1/5-1/4 of all marriages in Japan (quote: modern japanese history course). Except now "miai" usually refer to an 'arranged introduction' (with or without parents in tow) and not an 'arranged marriage' that is set in stone as we usually take the term to mean. An example of a current "miai" would be like the 'arranged meeting' Hermes-tan's mom tries to get her to go to in Densha Otoko.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Originally Posted by SOS-Brigade

It would be episode 8 according to Haruhi (the one we jsut watched, this episode, is 9 according to Haruhi)

so we skip backwards eh? at leased its not that much of a leap.

P.S: this was posted with my PSP, took forever All hail link2 the super linux browser!!!

[C.A.]

Remember the foreshadowing set down in the film in the first episode, which contained more truths than we first thought (Correctly pointing out all the people's true identitities)?

Perhaps, when the moment of truth came, Kyon (in the movie, represented by... forgot his name, Esper-smiley boy) ended up picking Mikuru instead of Haruhi. And the world as they knew it three-years ago came to an abrupt end.

No Kyon is not represented by Itsuki,

Spoiler:

Haruhi with her godly abilities somehow fitted the 3 characters Mikuru, Yuki and Itsuki into 3 characters she thought up for the show. The 3 characters are 'original' characters thought up by her, they don't represent anyone. Haruhi 'coincidentally' fitted the 3 of them into those roles which in 'reality' are their actual selves: time travelling waitress, magical alien and esper.

Since they aren't representing Mikuru, Haruhi and Kyon, Itsuki choosing Mikuru at the end doesn't mean anything outside of the show. Yuki definitely isn't representing Haruhi.

The conversation between Itsuki and Yuki was indeed talking about Haruhi and Kyon. But this conversation is an actual conversation taking place in the show. Haruhi told the both of them to come up with their own dialogues and the both of them just chatted away with a real conversation.

Haruhi and Kyon's roles in the show are also very similar to their reality counterparts, Haruhi as the director and Kyon as the narrator.

[Kamui4356]

Originally Posted by C.A.

Maybe her detective senses tell her that something is wrong and she hesitates.

Or her god-like senses tells her that someone has died and she hesitates.

But I think it was a faked death, theres too little blood at the wound, and no blood spilled. It's just not possible when youre stabbed at this part of the body.

I was thinking more the first one than the second. The first one only implies she took a look at the situation, and realized how similiar it is to a murder mystery though perhaps not quite on the concious level. It doesn't mean the person is necessarily dead. The second means it's an actual murder, or it wouldn't have triggered that reaction. Being an actual murder seems a bit out of place in this series. Not to say it isn't impossible though.

[celcius]

Maybe her detective senses tell her that something is wrong and she hesitates.

Or her god-like senses tells her that someone has died and she hesitates.

But I think it was a faked death, theres too little blood at the wound, and no blood spilled. It's just not possible when youre stabbed at this part of the body.

The thing that makes it seem like she didn't know which room was that she looked through the three doors repeatedly. Although I most certainly do think that it was also her sensing something weird going on, it somehow looked like she was lost.
Maybe she gets meitantei powers in that moment?

Master had placed a small book into his pocket, thougn I'm not sure if it was the same side as where he was stabbed. That could be the reason why there wasn't too much blood. Although this isn't really a concrete fact since he could've removed it sometime in the middle of him leaving and discovering his body.

I loved Kyon's "Which one's the beach ball??"

[C.A.]

Originally Posted by celcius

I loved Kyon's "Which one's the beach ball??"

I loved his expression lol

An actual murder is indeed out of place in this show, but

Spoiler:

There's going to be some supernatural murders and deaths

[Vexx]

Originally Posted by melange

Yes and no. "Arranged marriages" or 'Miai's still make up 1/5-1/4 of all marriages in Japan (quote: modern japanese history course). Except now "miai" usually refer to an 'arranged introduction' (with or without parents in tow) and not an 'arranged marriage' that is set in stone as we usually take the term to mean. An example of a current "miai" would be like the 'arranged meeting' Hermes-tan's mom tries to get her to go to in Densha Otoko.

There's also the "matchmaker" arranged marriages (ala Harmony, etc) often used by professional people when "mom's connections just aren't enough". You see examples of this in Azumanga Daioh (the PE teacher), Futari Echhi, etc. Its very popular with the professional people looking for mates.

[ApathyEcstasy]

Originally Posted by melange

Yes and no. "Arranged marriages" or 'Miai's still make up 1/5-1/4 of all marriages in Japan (quote: modern japanese history course). Except now "miai" usually refer to an 'arranged introduction' (with or without parents in tow) and not an 'arranged marriage' that is set in stone as we usually take the term to mean. An example of a current "miai" would be like the 'arranged meeting' Hermes-tan's mom tries to get her to go to in Densha Otoko.

nice out on a technicality but an "arranged marriage" means to me, one that is family arranged and can not be turned down..one that is set in stone...an "arranged meeting" is more like being set up on a blind date or being hooked up with a chick by your buddy (or a chick being hooked up with a guy by her girlfriend) etc....which are not similar at all to an arranged marriage

[ApathyEcstasy]

Originally Posted by Vexx

There's also the "matchmaker" arranged marriages (ala Harmony, etc) often used by professional people when "mom's connections just aren't enough". You see examples of this in Azumanga Daioh (the PE teacher), Futari Echhi, etc. Its very popular with the professional people looking for mates.

"matchmaker" type stuff, and being set up on an arranged meeting..is still nothing at all like an arranged marriage

[Onizuka-GTO]

Originally Posted by Vexx

There's also the "matchmaker" arranged marriages (ala Harmony, etc) often used by professional people when "mom's connections just aren't enough". You see examples of this in Azumanga Daioh (the PE teacher), Futari Echhi, etc. Its very popular with the professional people looking for mates.

I suppose in Japan its a good thing, with all those young workaholic non-social courting skilled professionals.....something that is slowly catching up in the western world to be honest...

[iamandragon]

Originally Posted by C.A.

Spoiler:

Haruhi with her godly abilities somehow fitted the 3 characters Mikuru, Yuki and Itsuki into 3 characters she thought up for the show. The 3 characters are 'original' characters thought up by her, they don't represent anyone. Haruhi 'coincidentally' fitted the 3 of them into those roles which in 'reality' are their actual selves: time travelling waitress, magical alien and esper.

Spoiler:

Ugg...Kyon did tell Haruhi their true identities before the film(see vol.2 of the novel)...
Kyon is the camera man, though he did serve a role of narrator in the anime but not novel, take note of that(not that it's too important.

I like the bit where Itsuki rushed to the door in desperation. It gives the character Itsuki life, also telling us viewers this fact: "Itsuki is not a random hero with super natural power, he is still a human with emotions!"

Itsuki is yet my favourite anime character...

Side note: Kyon's sister is sooooooo cuuuuuuute!

[melange]

Originally Posted by ApathyEcstasy

nice out on a technicality but an "arranged marriage" means to me, one that is family arranged and can not be turned down..one that is set in stone...an "arranged meeting" is more like being set up on a blind date or being hooked up with a chick by your buddy (or a chick being hooked up with a guy by her girlfriend) etc....which are not similar at all to an arranged marriage

That is why I said "yes and no". In this case its a matter of 'semantics'. What an 'arranged marriage' means for a Japanese now and what it meant before (in Tokugawa Japan and before)/what it means in the western usage of the term is now different. If you speak to a Japanese about 'Arranged Marriages'/'Miai' what I described is what they will think of.

It is just like what the term 'boyfriend'/'girlfriend' means is different; in Japan a boyfriend just means a friend who is a boy, while in the western usage it is meant to denote an intimate relationship. The Japanese equivalent would be 'kareshi'/'kanojo'.

[Cal-Reflector]

I detect a certain pattern of behavior from Kyon towards Mikuru emerging, one which I'm sure Japanese fans will eventually parody in their artwork. The pattern is generally:

1)Some undesirable event occurs/is placed upon Kyon, costing him money, time, convenience, etc.
2)This event tends to lead to some opportunity in the form of interaction with Mikuru
3)Kyon says "Well, as long as Mikuru is (insert something positive), I guess (undesirable event) is worth it."

Parody fanart I'm expecting to see: Mikuru, in her bunny waitress uniform, goes Higurashi. Blood and guts are all over the place, but at the end of it all she smiles sweetly at Kyon, who, bystander as he always is, remarks with a loopy smile, "Well, as long as Mikuru-san is happy, I guess some casualties is alright..."

[Vexx]

Feel free to ignore us but you'll still look silly if you look aghast in Japan when someone mentions an "arranged marriage".

[dkellis]

Finally got around to watching the episode (subbed). Initial impressions:

Spoiler for For this episode:

Who's the woman tearing up paper in the beginning of the episode? I'd guess that she's just a random bystander who happens to fit the "jilted lover" appearance, since it's very plausible that the things she's tearing up are love letters and photographs.

Haha Kyon's trying way too hard to get Itsuki to pick the Joker. Obviously his punishment is to lose.

Kyon's sister is just way too cute. And precocious.

There's all the subtitled names/roles that I see in all the mystery anime. You just know that something's going to happen.

Haruhi starts out all formal and polite, and then goes back to being, well, Haruhi. Awesome.

Kyon seems way too worried when Haruhi goes off on her random murder mystery fantasy (with Mikuru as the first victim, no less), fidgeting and being generally edgy. Not that I blame him, really.

Summer! Sea! Swimsuits! Superb!

Yuki has l33t chopstick skillz. I bow to her awesomeness.

"If you don't eat properly, you won't grow up to be like Asahina-san." Yeah, I bet you'd just love that, won't you.

Kyon has the worst luck of the group, excepting possibly Mikuru. Still, while Mikuru is bullied quite directly by Haruhi, Kyon's bully appears to be reality at large. (Which may or may not be Haruhi's fault indirectly.)

Kyon's sister beat Yuki in ping pong. Who else got the impression that this is because Yuki refused to hit any balls except those heading directly towards her? Or is Kyon's sister somehow a great deal more skilled and talented than the average eleven-year old?

Arakawa barely budged when the pillow hit him in the face. Quite unlike Kyon, who got bowled over.

I have the wholly unsupported theory that the whole thing is an act put on by Keiichi and Yutaka, possibly with help/instigation by Itsuki. After all, they may well all be espers, and if Haruhi wants a murder mystery to not be bored, well, then, it's a murder mystery she'll get.

[Vexx]

also keep in mind that not all the members of the various organizations *agree* with the plan of action (noninterference, observe) ...
speculation: I full expect some of the less agreeable factions to "insert a little extra fun" at some point.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Originally Posted by Vexx

also keep in mind that not all the members of the various organizations *agree* with the plan of action (noninterference, observe) ...
speculation: I full expect some of the less agreeable factions to "insert a little extra fun" at some point.

woohoo! tailgrabbing galore¬!