Kanon 2006 (Generic Discussion)

[physics223]

Guys, don't forget that Sugita Tomokazu also voices Mayama.

[orion]

Originally Posted by nani

From various locations in Osaka, Yokohama and Tokyo:

http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~uso9000/.../moriguchi.htm
http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~uso9000/travel/yokohama.htm
http://birds-song-air.whitesnow.jp/kanon-tabi-top.htm
http://www.cuhkacs.org/~yanlee/blog/read.php?28

Thanks alot for the info. It's nice to see the real location of a game scene. The real fountain looks as gorgeous as its anime version.

[-Nyu-]

Hehe, today I finally got something from Japan

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

You see right, the official Kanon Prelude DVD!

In the package (with slipcase) are:
- DVD Box with postcard set inside
- Kanon Prelude introduction note

Pew, the voice actresses look cute^^
So as you can see from the first photo, the broadcast will start on October the fith.

[DanielSong39]

Man, that is a big picture of Ayu on the Prelude cover. Needless to say that changes the odds considerably. Here are the updated odds:

Ayu 1-5
None 9-1
Nayuki 15-1
Shiori 100-1
Mai 200-1
Motoko 1000-1

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by DanielSong39

Man, that is a big picture of Ayu on the Prelude cover. Needless to say that changes the odds considerably.

I still say that a lot of bishoujo anime fans around here (not directed at you in particular) need to learn that quaint little saying: "It's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game that counts." It'd solve so much Internet drama, and maybe you'd actually enjoy the anime again (rather than just enjoying the arguments).

Anyway, that aside, my own Prelude DVD (along with a bunch of other recent DVDs) seem to be perpetually stuck with DHL in L.A. Every day, without fail, the status updates to say that it's still in L.A. How helpful.

[orion]

Ayu's opening line for the first series was in the first trailer. The ED is an Ayu love fest. Ayu is on t-shirts. Their objective is to tie all the stories together and already know that

Spoiler:

Ayu was the major cause of s*** hitting the fan.

Her odds are better than 1-5 imo.

"None" isn't an option. That sounds like a bad game ending and a cop-out imo. They would probably get watanagashi'd for that.

Besides relentlessflame, the debates about the ending are all in good fun anyway.

No complaining about your mail relentlessflame. My package got opened before I got it. (A nice convenient hole was poked into the package so that you could see the contents.) I also opened my package in front of a postal employee to cover my a** because international mail doesn't occur often in my area.

[DanielSong39]

I consider the original To Heart and AIR open endings, so my definition of an "open" ending is quite broad. And even so, the "open" ending is a 9-1 shot.

I could stomach an Ayu ending if it was done well. Unfortunately the last anime had the effect of garnering sympathy for Nayuki instead, which may or may not have been its intended effect - especially for a viewer with no previous knowledge of the story, such as myself. If they're going to go the Ayu route again they seriously need to beef up her character and have Nayuki play more of a support role, rather than be the main rival.

I saw similar problems in Canvas 2 and SHUFFLE!. In the former, the Kiri arc was poorly done as they left out a number of key dramatic elements - and was much weaker than the Elis arc near the start. And as for SHUFFLE!... I certainly would've gone "all-in" on Sia after a few episodes, and the single path anime probably would've worked better.

As you said, it's the journey that matters most - and not whether "my girl wins". But without a coherent, consistent story, it's much harder to accept when "my girl loses". Let's see if KyoAni can succeed where Toei failed.

[Rengemaru]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

I still say that a lot of bishoujo anime fans around here (not directed at you in particular) need to learn that quaint little saying: "It's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game that counts." It'd solve so much Internet drama, and maybe you'd actually enjoy the anime again (rather than just enjoying the arguments).

Spoiler:

My favorite girl was Makoto, I wanted Yuuichi to pick Nayuki, but I can't think of a better ending than Ayu's. So let's just forget about this stupid arguement and rewatch the new opening again.

[mishangelle]

I watched Toei's Kanon a long, long time ago and don't really remember Sayuri's character well, but if her 'nihaha' during the promo wasn't a Misuzu tribute, I don't know what it is

[IRJustman]

Originally Posted by mishangelle

I watched Toei's Kanon a long, long time ago and don't really remember Sayuri's character well, but if her 'nihaha' during the promo wasn't a Misuzu tribute, I don't know what it is

I dragged out my Toei version out last night and watched a little of it. Kawakami Tomoko's carriage of the voice was just like hers of Misuzu's (though I didn't hear any "nihahaha" in the segments I watched). Though you are right, her awkward laugh after that collision in the Prelude reel was quite the tribute to Misuzu!

--Ian.

[panzerfan]

Well I will be damned. Just for a moment I thought of Misuzu... it was more like nihaha~ though.

By the way, I also took a look at Mai's conclusion in Toei Kanon. For some reason though, the thought of enclosed space and Shinjin wouldn't leave me somehow ><.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by DanielSong39

Unfortunately the last anime had the effect of garnering sympathy for Nayuki instead, which may or may not have been its intended effect - especially for a viewer with no previous knowledge of the story, such as myself. If they're going to go the Ayu route again they seriously need to beef up her character and have Nayuki play more of a support role, rather than be the main rival. [...] Without a coherent, consistent story, it's much harder to accept when "my girl loses". Let's see if KyoAni can succeed where Toei failed.

Spoiler:

So, to sum it up, you're saying that "I didn't like the ending because I felt sorry for Nayuki to the point of not caring about Ayu's happiness," is a flaw in the story's consistency and coherence. That's a very common criticism/complaint around here, but is that really objective? Other viewers watched the same story and accepted the ending despite feeling sorry for Nayuki, regardless of whether they're Ayu fans or not (see also what Rengemaru said). Doesn't your solution of "make Nayuki a more minor player so I won't feel so sorry for her!" also downplay the power of Nayuki's "climactic" scene and the strength she displayed in accepting reality and moving on? In other words, doesn't Nayuki's ending increase the power and "bittersweet" nature of Ayu's ending? Otherwise, wouldn't it be too easy? Is all that really a flaw in the storytelling? Stuff to think about anyway -- you don't necessarily need to answer. Above all, it'd be great if, like Nayuki, people could just move on and see what the future brings in this new telling of the story.

[DanielSong39]

Spoiler:

Good point, maybe some people enjoyed seeing Nayuki built up over the last few episodes, to the point that she began to eclipse Ayu's presence - only to be stabbed in the back. If Ayu is going to be the "winner", her character really should be better developed than Nayuki's. This isn't just an opinion; it's an important principle in good storytelling.

The other main problem was the haphazard way in which the girls' stories were arranged; it could've been done better.

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by DanielSong39

Spoiler:

Good point, maybe some people enjoyed seeing Nayuki built up over the last few episodes, to the point that she began to eclipse Ayu's presence - only to be stabbed in the back. If Ayu is going to be the "winner", her character really should be better developed than Nayuki's. This isn't just an opinion; it's an important principle in good storytelling.

Spoiler:

Oy... now what kind of a response is that? Bitterness much? She did not "eclipse Ayu's presence" nor was she "stabbed in the back". And what a condemnation of those who liked the ending! They like seeing people stabbed in the back do they now? Seriously, she had to confess her feelings so she could finally find the strength to move on. It was bound to happen - that was the point of the build-up (she had been denying what she really wanted for too long, and now she was seeing the writing on the wall). In any case, there's clearly no sense discussing this matter any further with you. Sorry for trying.

[IRJustman]

Originally Posted by panzerfan

Well I will be damned. Just for a moment I thought of Misuzu... it was more like nihaha~ though.

You ARE right to think about Misuzu here, believe it or don't. Both share the same seiyuu, Kawakami Tomoko.

--Ian.

[K. Yamato]

Just cant wait for this to be released soon! Oh yes I did an AMV especially for this! Please read the comment to if you have time ;p.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf4YEKR2Iwg

Quality is low because it makes it that way heh...if you want the full res wait awhile for this one to load

http://jaysondesigns.net/Other/KanonAMV.wmv

Cheers for now!

Oh yes one last thing...

*Work in progress*

Spoiler for Desk of Dreams:

-Jason-

[-Nyu-]

Thats a really nice WP^^
I didn't have much time to do watch the prelude DVD, but I'll do a small review on my site soon. God, the animation looks so damn good..

[orion]

Well, I'd consider

Spoiler:

whatever Ayu and Yuuichi were really doing in his bedroom , the kiss at the train station and the "hug" before going to the forest as clear indicators that Nayuki was demoted to "relative giving support" status. Ayu's sneaking into the house to bake for him sealed it. Actually, he had pretty much ignored Nayuki from the beginning in the Toei version. There wasn't really any good Yuuichi x Nayuki moments in the Toei version. Makoto was kept friendly too. Mai had her moments, but wasn't really anything to say "Ah, romance..." but more like "Ah, sympathy...". Mai's relationship with Sayuri killed any prospects for Yuuichi imo. The only girl in the Toei version that had a chance imo was Shiori, hence that's why she gave him a gift at the end and moved on. Yuuichi figuring it out that he had ignored Nayuki from the start (since age 10) was a plot point brought about by interacting with Ayu and was necessary for him to heal properly. Nayuki's kiss was more for her benefit than anything else imo. Ayu didn't have it easy either. He was mean to her too in the beginning (age 17).

Hey, I sympathize with Nayuki. I'd sympathize more if she wasn't a first cousin. They were practically raised like brother and sister from the hints in the Toei version. It's a scenario that would work only in the game and not in Region 1.

Beside Air TV has an open ending only if you don't want to face reality imo.

I'd crack a rib and give a cheer if Sayuri says "Gao" in this version.

Nice wallpaper K. Yamato!

They've gotta have a better Clannad cameo in this version than last time (t-shirt with Clannad written on it).

[zalas]

Well, finally got some time to finish remastering a wip that I had been working on:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/jzfl3f

[Catgirls]