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The difference in Konoha's case: First, there was a highly organized clan (you can consider it as one of the best organized ones in the Narutoverse), who was planning to go all the way to become the winner at the end of a future planned fight, without thinking deeply about the consequences and not possibly caring much about who lives or dies during the civil war. Also, they were part of a warrior clan, a clan who does not seem to approve the blood of a member who cannot show Uchiha-signature ninjutsu. Konoha's decision is definitely not honorable but at least it is better than the examples you presented (if you take into account all the factors involved). It might also be better to ask the question, would it be any better if they had killed the 95% of the clan and left the remaining 5% alive? And at the end, giving the remaining alive ones the task of living in the worst possible conditions with only one thing to do at the end, revenge against Konoha, until getting rid of every single of innocent soul. |
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2008-05-26, 19:32 | Link #222 |
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i kno i may be completely off topic of what your discussing atm
but at the end of this chapter was it another like short time skip of like maybe a week or so becuse sasuke is standing on a rock wiv a new outfit with like the last thing madara was saying echoeing or is it showing a past event? |
2008-05-26, 23:41 | Link #226 |
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All this Uchiha talk in the last chapters make me to want to know more about the Senju instead.Also Itachi was damn cool as a true evil one.Right now he was good (at least for Sasuke).Hope that the Snake team will be still with Sasuke after this.
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2008-05-27, 05:17 | Link #229 | |
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I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm disappointed with the manga. However as I said earlier... This particular chapter is very similiar to the Metal Gear Solid storyline in Snake Eater. The manga is great as a whole, and even then we can't fully judge it till its complete (if that ever happens). |
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Who is the hero, a cold killer or a traumatized and manipulated teen and whether he was right or wrong is beside my point. My point is that right now Sasuke can not share the priority of the village considering its government had ordered his death warrant based on his name alone. Quote:
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This is exactly the situation of Sasuke, he was a kid who knew nothing about the coup, his only crime was being born Uchiha and it cost him a death warrant. Most of those killed by Pain were also killed for nothing else but being more or less related to someone who might have opposed him at some point, not for something they actually did. Quote:
Based on this line of thought a nation at war with another should genocide its entire population because there might be bad blood later. Broadening the possible threats you also have to kill people in your country who might disagree with your decision because they could revolt later and so they have to be taken care of. With their families and friends who could revolt against their death, etc. Your reasoning is simply absurd at best and sickening if you really understand what you are defending : killing an entire population based on what you fear they might do instead of something they actually did or are planning to do. |
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2008-05-27, 09:14 | Link #231 | |
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Sure, there were other means to solve their dilema, but there was risk involved. Things that happened were the conclusion of lots of errors done by the Uchiha and by the Senju since the Village was created. Mind you: I dont agree with the Konoha decision, if I was the third, I would attack the Uchiha led by Itachi, I would capture (or kill if impossible) the leaders and its followers. After that I would ban the segregation and would make Itachi a kage, so the Uchiha would feel they were fairly represented in Konoha, preventing future revolts. |
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2008-05-27, 09:47 | Link #232 | |
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What I am pointing out is that they didn't just kill those who were a direct threat, they decided to kill everybody including kids and people who weren't even ninja. And even that was but a side point, the original argument was Suna no tate saying Sasuke has no ground to want revenge anymore. |
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2008-05-27, 09:56 | Link #233 |
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This is all based on Madara's story which might be inaccurate since it has no backup.
We should take into account that Konoha is not a nice place intrinsically speaking. It is the defence of the Fire Country : trained ninjas from children to defend the interests of the citizens of the nation. The organisational structure is definitely not democratic, nor is it democratic in any army around the world for obvious practical reasons. This particular decision of genocide is definitely wrong morally if seen from a democratic/liberal view but if seen from a militaristic view it is simply brutally efficient. It was always a matter of who is in charge in Konoha - the senju or the Uchihas : I think that was the big mistake. Although as a human being I detest the kind of decision Konoha took, (which I also think is Kishimoto's point in the story and the change Naruto will bring will be related to the change of this kind of mentality) I still can understand it and grudgingly accept it within the framework of the Narutoverse (as described by Madara in his version of the events and history). |
2008-05-27, 10:37 | Link #234 | |
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Anyhow, it being the case that Danzou will probably soon learn that Sasuke has defeated Itachi, he should be anticipating the possibility that Sasuke has learned the truth about the massacre. If that's so, he might also be anticipating Sasuke moving against him. Danzou seems to be the type of person who strikes before he can be attacked, so I wonder if this will cause him to take action.
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2008-05-27, 10:52 | Link #236 |
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Hello,
I though I would like to start the following fact finding info on itachi I see a problem with "13 year old and having a lover". I would like to verify his age. where is it from ? is it from the manga or databook, etc. if we had the following that manga > databook > other cannon > anime we will elimate the unknown 1) Let get facts about him like age 13 in anbu from manga |
2008-05-27, 11:09 | Link #238 | |
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but yeah i feel the lover thing was just thrown in there, but there was no indication from the flashbacks, unless idk if other people have mentioned it itachi was homosexual and shunsui was his lover.
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