2008-05-27, 12:56 | Link #242 |
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I wonder what did lead Itachi to his decision that there are no other options. Maybe the Uchiha did really make final preparations to summon the kyuubi against the village. But i don't think there was anyone able to do it. So a possible solution:
Madara did play this game with Itachi to see what would Itachi decide. If Madara offered to the Uchiha clan his ability to summon the kyuubi ( kidnapping Naruto and killing him also included in the price ), then he observed how would Itachi react knowing his situation. So when the Uchiha accepted Madara's offer and they held their secret meeting to begin their rebellion Itachi had no other choice. That would be the evil Madara who forces Itachi to make a choice between the village and the clan, probably hoping that Itachi will chose the clan so that Madara can have his revenge. But also if Itachi choses the village then Madara can have revenge on his clan by helping Itachi to kill every Uchiha I think what we see now is Madara's good side, but he has a very evil side that he will show in the upcoming chapters and he may force Sasuke to make a similar choice. It was probably Madara who mindf*cked Pain/Nagato too. |
2008-05-27, 13:04 | Link #243 |
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It would be interesting if Itachi chose to act against the Uchiha because they were going to use Naruto (wheter it be to kill him or summon the beast from him, etc.). That would definetly cement a reason/person for Sasuke to focus on.
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2008-05-27, 13:34 | Link #244 |
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Not to mention I think Itachi must have hit puberty at age 5 or something, since iirc he looked exactly the same (height and everything) even in flashbacks where he was younger than Sasuke was at the beginning of the series...
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2008-05-27, 14:21 | Link #245 |
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Lol...has it been asked what the relationship between the kyuubi and Madara is? I mean...when Sasuke supressed it...it mentioned Madara's name...so...Sasuke should be remembering this...and just ask...if he wasn't the one that controlled the kyuubi, than how does it know his name? =) bam bam
Though, Madara would probably just answer, "we were butt buddies" and sasuke would believe it...because he is just so vulnerable at the moment that he would believe anything =) ________ LOVE LYRICS FORUM Last edited by SeanQ; 2011-04-24 at 13:17. |
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Don't you think it is much more sickening to make kids use ninja tools to kill another? And you are following this story from the beginning with great enjoyment, am I wrong? |
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2008-05-27, 22:42 | Link #247 |
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the funny thing is that naruto is suppose to be a shounen manga whose audience are little boys but kishimoto is present an adult theme into it. in other stories for young children people may do things as bad as genocide. but they are clearly marked as bad or good. but here we have an organziations that was labeled as the good guys from the start, with thier will of fire and everything. in fact I recall many people making fun of konoha for being a bunch of happy ninjas, and the other villages were more badass. then all over sudden they turn into nazis. I apppreciate the fact kishimot is trying to teach important lesson, not everything is what it seems, don't judge a book by its cover, every rose has its thorns yadi yada.
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2008-05-28, 05:41 | Link #248 | |
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anyway on topic , I wasnt around for 2-3 weeks read the chapters and I am curious about the hokage...he is the leader and yet couldnt make decisions on his own? the elders had that influence on hokage? how much mindfck does sasuke need in order to bring down the fury to the ninja world I wonder actually I am happy the way story goes , sasukes way is kinda cant be predicted and how his path will cross with naruto is interesting...moreover will naruto be a pawn to old mistakes of konoha? what happened to suigetsu karin and shark guy? |
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And no newborns aren't born with the fate of becoming ninja nor were they all ninja in the first place, according to the Data Book the two old Uchiha who Sasuke talked to before the massacre weren't ninja, they were bakers. Your argument, if you can call it that, can be used for anyone killed in the Water country : because of their bloodline they were "fated" to become tool of war so it somehow made it fine to kill them even if they had never fought in their life. Quote:
No, what I called absurd and sickening at worse was your view, because you are actually a real person who defend the killing of people who had done nothing wrong but being born "fated to be who what they are". If your points had only been that this kind of action isn't really surprising based on the kind of era they live in (which is basically an adaptation of what followed the Japanese Warring States period with ninja and magic to bot) and that their values aren't those of our time and place then of course the decision is understandable. Though again there is a reason Kishimoto chose to have Danzou as the instigator and not Sarutobi since this is a shounen manga and all. But up until now that certainly wasn't what you were saying. |
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But this and your very Sazelyt second paragraph are just making my point. You are not considering the Uchiha as different people to be judged depending of what they did, but as their bloodline, period. And amusingly enough you don't see how this relate to the way the Mist defined people by their bloodline alone. |
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2008-05-28, 14:43 | Link #252 | |
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And, I do see how two things relate or unrelate to each other, regarding the comparison between Mist and Fire. The people of the mist, the ones that are being hunted were at the level of disassociating themselves from a clan, living separate lives. Do you see the same from Uchiha who are living together with presumably strong bonds among them? In short, the bloodline is just a part of this "how you define yourself" equation. |
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2008-05-28, 16:56 | Link #253 |
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first, sry for my english isnt good. so forgive use wrong english.
I thought (felt ?feel?)401 strory, Itachi was special-loved Sasuke. its very sad story. but this truth is make sasuke will grow up to great ninja. I wondering why madara is tell truth to Sasuke ? 何の得があったんでしょう? loving Itachi ? so cant forgive Sasuke dosent know Itachi truth ? wondering. |
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Madara did, though, tell Sasuke his story so that Sasuke would hate Konoha. |
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