2008-09-09, 13:52 | Link #1541 | |
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I can respect that the social mores are different in Japan than here in the USA, which may be a MAJOR indicator as to why the Japanese fandom thinks they had sex. OTOH, unlike the really varied fans in the rest of the world, the majority of the vocal Macross fandom in Japan MAY be made up of mostly teens and twenties shut-in otaku for all I know. Guys who NEVER get to roll with the opposite gender, and think that hentai sim games are reality. Not saying that's the case because I have NO data, but it doesn't seem like much of a stretch either... Just go to see a dying girl who has fallen for you and hold her in your arms. And when that pivotal moment comes when she asks for your strength and courage; boink her. Yeah... THAT'S not a desperate moment at all... |
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2008-09-09, 13:59 | Link #1542 | |
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Several things though, as I pointed out already, the language being used, the setting, pan of the camera and of course, their mood. Then later, the jacket, which Alto wasn't wearing but hanged around him, why this small detail? Moreover, Sheryl was in a yukata, which is pretty much the only layer of clothing she has. How does that not excite Alto's hormones would be beyond me... Besides, I am sure a good session of mutual workout at that point won't kill her - Tak
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2008-09-09, 14:10 | Link #1544 | |
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2008-09-09, 14:27 | Link #1545 | |
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I completely concur that the elements were there, the emotions were there and (especially if we're being rickrolled) the visuals were there. But the characters actions and histories up to this point don't necessarily lead to the conclusion that they consummated it. It IS open to total speculation and will probably NEVER be confirmed by the staff. My point is that moments of weakness occur for everyone who is human, but moments of strength do too. In my eyes, to be consistent, it wouldn't have been respectful to the characters if they DID carry it through. ESPECIALLY in light of the adulation and idolatry heaped onto Sheryl by the most vociferous fans both in Japan and abroad. To take your "Queen" and lower her to the the level of a weak roll in the hay seems flawed. Hikaru & Misa's implied sex in DYRL was a "We're the last people on earth and I love you" kind of sex. This situation is a "You're about to die and I don't want you to be lonely when you do" kind of sex... I'd LIKE to believe they DIDN'T do it. |
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2008-09-09, 14:31 | Link #1546 | |
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At the end, she found reliance in Alto, and when she said "give me courage", it had a dual meaning, one of them being something akin to prove it. - Tak
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2008-09-09, 14:40 | Link #1547 |
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I really don't see what's so bad about the slightly implied sex. But, like I stated before, some people do seem to have a real problem with it.
Also, I totally agree with Tak's reasoning.
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2008-09-09, 15:04 | Link #1549 |
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I thought only AltoxRanka shippers were upset about the sexual thing
IMO, they didn't but sexual tension was clearly present and strong : when Sheryl's tears dropped on the futon, the camera was on subjective mode. First Alto looked at the tears then Sheryl's thighs. Even if he was shattered by Sheryl's pain, he was, at the same time, aware of her body so close and so warm. Good job Kawamori, you've reminded to the audience that noble feelings can be mixed with physical desire ^^
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2008-09-09, 15:41 | Link #1551 | ||
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At least until the fans corner Kawamori in an interview and ask "Did Alto and Sheryl have sex in episode 22 or not!??!" Btw, should you ever get the courage to ask your Japanese friends what they think of sex, you might be surprised at their answers. Japan has long been pretty frank about sexuality. Quote:
I have no problem if Sheryl and Alto did do the horizontal tango, but the uncertainty the script left me with is annoying! Until I see something more concrete (like them blushing when they see each other later on), I'll assume the clothes stayed on. |
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2008-09-09, 15:48 | Link #1552 |
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From a viewer's perspective, I just can't see them having sex. It doesn't feel right to me. Sheryl had just woken up from fainting, and it seemed she'd been out for quite a while (no less than half an hour), due to the sun having set once she came to. Not to mention it doesn't seem like Alto has really committed himself to a relationship with Sheryl. He's a companion, a friend, but not much more, yet. I just don't think Alto would have the balls to do the dirty with her under those circumstances. It's too much of a commitment for him, too soon. Kissing? Yes. Sex? Not really.
Then again, when I put myself in Sheryl's shoes, I can see her fully wanting it. She's dying, and if I was that close to the man (or, in my case, woman) I love, I'd do everything in my power to move to that next step. Unless I had Vajraids (or our own HIV). Then, no matter how much I'd want it, how much he'd (she) want it, I just would not be able to bring myself to push it forward, curable with a serum or not. So, kissing? Fuck yeah. Sexual tension? Not even a Valkyrie beam-knife-thing could cut it. Sex? I just can't accept it, no matter how hard I try, no matter how much I support SxA. |
2008-09-09, 16:04 | Link #1553 |
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<shrug> Itīs up to individual interpretation, of course. But I think they made love ( couldnīt people rather use that, than using "had sex"? Yeah, it describes the act, but in that instance saying "made love" makes more sense. Unless you donīt believe they love each other, of course ).
Lovemaking can be for comfort, too. And not every such scene needs to have blaring romantic music. In that particular case, it was actually a very tense scene, because of the situation Sheryl is in. Not that I wouldnīt have wanted a more clearly romantic scene, but seeing how Kawamori wants to keep us guessing a bit and how desperate and lonely Sheryl felt, it played out well enough.
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2008-09-09, 16:26 | Link #1556 |
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Personally, I think they made love. The sexual inuendos are there and considering the delicacy of their feelings at that fragile moment, it's probably the best choice not the blatantly show it, but simply to hint it. The emotions were raw and real, they were panning out as Alto was closing in, they were showing the peaceful trees, indicating time had passed, Alto coming out with his jacket wrapped over him...all these were delicate details added to the scene that didn't have to be there if nothing happened.
I don't think there was anything wrong with what they did because I believe they love each other. I guess it depends on whether or not you believe they love each other. Which is why I can see Ranka fans opposing the idea. And like Luca said, there's an antidote for the virus at early stages, even if there were no robot condom machines roaming the streets at that time. |
2008-09-09, 16:40 | Link #1559 | ||
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2008-09-09, 16:43 | Link #1560 | |
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The way I solved my confusion? With the simple fact that either way the scene was still deep and touching.
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