2011-10-06, 17:44 | Link #3801 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2011
|
I felt that Heavens feel true end felt the most perfect. The sisters can finally get along with eachother, and no more torture for Sakura. She can finally be happy. Plus the way it ended with Rin, Sakura, Rider, and Shirou looking at the cherry blossoms was just fantastic.
But my favorite end was probably UBW True(I like Rin too much) |
2011-10-06, 17:45 | Link #3802 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Age: 39
|
Well, if you like Rin, then surely HF True should be your favourite end, because it's the only one where she's not going to have to deal with the fact that she left her little sister to be tortured by a monster whilst she ran off to London....
|
2011-10-06, 21:20 | Link #3804 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: USA
|
Let's be honest, UBW Good End is an extremely (IMO obnoxiously) happy ending - the Sakura issue is never dealt with so people simply do not like drawing parallels that, behind the scenes, very little is actually fixed aside from Shirou's ideals. However, I don't really think people need to go to the extent of acknowledging that the ending isn't happy because Sakura is not involved, since upon completing the ending most people had never finished HF in the first place. Even after completing HF, the feeling of "Wow, UBW good is really happy!" isn't so easy to argue away so long as the feeling is still there.
This discussion reminds me of a fanfic called Dear Tohsaka. Pretty decent read, by the way. |
2011-10-07, 01:27 | Link #3806 | ||
Me, An Intellectual
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Age: 33
|
Quote:
Quote:
In any case I don't think you can compare innocents who definitely die to innocents who might die. If I recall, that was the whole point of not killing Sakura (at least from my perspective). It's more than possible that she moves on from Sakura and never finds out. Heck it's possible that Emiya somehow manages to find out and saves Sakura (at least that's what I'd like to believe). You know that Sakura's Letter fanfic isn't actually canon...
__________________
|
||
2011-10-07, 03:43 | Link #3807 | |||
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Age: 39
|
According to Nasu, no, it doesn't.
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|||
2011-10-07, 04:11 | Link #3808 | |||
Me, An Intellectual
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Age: 33
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
|
|||
2011-10-07, 06:39 | Link #3809 |
Anything's Possible
Author
Join Date: Jul 2009
|
From my point of view, in terms of ending all of them are good endings but what ending people think are happy are relative to what kind of ending they want. e.g. which heroine is alive, which girl wins Shirou's heart...
However from a storytelling point of view, all endings are good and equivelent. It's very similar to the law of chaos theory, where one event can lead to similing unrealted events. But such is the why of a VN especially one from Nasu. The initial catalyst, which is paying attention to the different heroines caused the different routes assuming that all routes could be played without having to play one to get to another. I think this choice from Nasu makes the game very linear but also improves the storytelling style of FSN. Firstly we have build up of a single heroine allowing us to get to know one extremely well at a time, in doing so leaves the others more or less shafted this would obviously improve sympathy towards Sakura during HF which from a literature perspective is good writing. This also sort of makes the story linear and rather biased to which is a more canon route as it would appear that HF is the most important route of all. However since there is a law of cause and effect all routes are valid such is a VN despite FSN seemingly linear nature, for example the initial choices would lead different routes, paying more attention to Sakura to access HF would lead you to realise the issues with her family her life. Or becoming captivated with Saber and sort of leaving Sakura behind. This leads to a second point about the VN though. From the start I felt that it was a story focused on Shirou and his ideals. The 3 routes show a progression of his idealistic nature. The fate route showed an idealistic Shirou who would try to save as many people as he can as shone when he sacrifices his feelings for Saber and destroys the Grail. UBW route shows a Shirou with more changing ideals a period of learning, this is done through Archer who wants to change that idealistic nature and Shioru learning that he cannot save everyone. HF route showed that Shirou takes the most realistic approach to his ideals that he must make a choice of who he wants to save, he cannot save everyone in other words, sacrifice the many for the one. Oddly enough the different choices of Shirou is reflected on the different heroines. Idealistic Shirou - Saber who gave up her humnity for her country as king Growing Shirou - Rin who understands the need to save people but also has the character who is willing to make the necessary sacrifices Realistic Shirou - No offense to Sakura fans but she while having alot of compassion was also extremely selfish when it came to the lives of people and would have easily sacrificed many for Shirou. You can dissagree on me with that since I can't remember that well. This points to the idea that each route is equal in importance despite the fact that they had to be played in certain orders. Regardless of which Heroine you like most, I would say that the kind of Shioru chosen would fall for a different girl and lead to different events. My longest Post ever.... -____-
__________________
|
2011-10-07, 08:54 | Link #3810 |
Me, An Intellectual
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Age: 33
|
I think the real reason people say UBW Good End is the happiest one is because they look at it from Emiya's perspective in what he doesn't lose:
Fate End: Loses Saber UBW True End: Loses no one UBW Good End: Loses no one + Bonus Saber HF Normal End: Dies HF True End: Loses Ilya (maybe Saber if that counts)
__________________
|
2011-10-07, 14:32 | Link #3811 | |||
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Age: 39
|
Quote:
Quote:
Since when is Sakura "selfish", or at least unusually so? Hell, she's not the one who quite willingly fought in a war that would likely result in the deaths of a bunch of people just because she wanted to prove to herself that she could win it.... Quote:
|
|||
2011-10-07, 15:06 | Link #3812 | |
Me, An Intellectual
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Age: 33
|
Quote:
And whose to say that she didn't check with Sakura first? It's not like Sakura has a case anymore. Not when Shirou has already decided where his preferences lie. @ second point - We don't know what happens to Sakura nor can we be sure how he'd react. They might have already gone their seperate ways and lost contact at that point. If he even learns truth behind her death (and there's no guaruntee that he will) he might simply treat her tragedy the same way he treated the orphans' tragedy in Fate, and move on.
__________________
Last edited by Haak; 2011-10-07 at 15:47. |
|
2011-10-07, 16:11 | Link #3813 | |||
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Age: 39
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|||
2011-10-07, 16:21 | Link #3814 | |||
Me, An Intellectual
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Age: 33
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
Last edited by Haak; 2011-10-07 at 16:43. |
|||
2011-10-07, 17:52 | Link #3815 | |||||
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Age: 39
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|||||
2011-10-07, 22:06 | Link #3816 | ||
Anything's Possible
Author
Join Date: Jul 2009
|
Quote:
Quote:
I noticed that a lot of the dislike pointed at routes not HF is because the Sakura situation is not resolved, yeah well her character completely disappeared during the earlier routes in other words she was insignificant in those routes therefore by those routes standards and since Sakura is deemed not important, the other routes are happy. And its always nice to assume that if and only if Shirou finds out about Zoken, then Sakura can be saved. And he would save her but that would be the big IF in the earlier 2 routes.
__________________
|
||
2011-10-07, 23:40 | Link #3817 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2007
|
Quote:
Spoiler:
|
|
2011-10-08, 05:07 | Link #3818 | ||||
Me, An Intellectual
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Age: 33
|
Quote:
If that's the case can I just point that if that's not a factor anymore, then you would acknowledge that she's totally in line to do what she likes, right? Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
|
||||
2011-10-08, 21:01 | Link #3819 | |||||||||||||
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Age: 39
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Shirou would not have just forgotten about it, he's too caring for that, and he sure as hell isn't going to overlook the fact that a fucking girl who he knows was tortured to death under his fucking nose.... Quote:
You might think Shirou is an uncaring asshole, but I sure as hell don't. |
|||||||||||||
2011-10-09, 03:58 | Link #3820 |
Me, An Intellectual
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Age: 33
|
I'm going to put my debate with Cherry Lover under spoiler tags. Anyone who doesn't wish to see or has a problem with it for whatever strange reason, doesn't have to look anymore. And in the future, if anyone wants to give me a neg rep then please make sure you state a reason, otherwise I won't know what it is I'm doing wrong.
Spoiler for space:
__________________
Last edited by Haak; 2011-10-09 at 10:37. |
Tags |
fate/stay night, visual novel |
Thread Tools | |
|
|