Playstation 4

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Westlo

Even Nintendo has found DLC and they don't give a shit if it breaks a game, see Fire Emblem and SMT. Pay 2 win.

There's really nothing wrong with experience gaining or item gaining DLC. It's not required, it doesn't change the story any, and you aren't required to purchase it. Or does other people being able to beat a game that they otherwise wouldn't somehow diminish its quality? Don't pull an elitist card here, we aren't talking about multiplayer games or anything.

[Edge Meltdown]

Originally Posted by GDB

You actually bought the PR line that DLC was due to not having time to implement it on disc? Oh you poor, naive person. The only DLC you should believe that for is absolutely free DLC.

Well there's nothing wrong with being naive sometimes :P just keeping a positive thought. Even if we're not free of DLC contents forever, free DLC is still great ofc.

[felix]

Edge Meltdown, I don't think you're naive, I think people are generalizing this one category of digital goods into an "always a bad thing" concept.

Originally Posted by GDB

There's really nothing wrong with experience gaining or item gaining DLC. It's not required, it doesn't change the story any, and you aren't required to purchase it. Or does other people being able to beat a game that they otherwise wouldn't somehow diminish its quality? Don't pull an elitist card here, we aren't talking about multiplayer games or anything.

DLC on some games, typically cheap games, also allows them to keep a low price point knowing it will gather in potential buyers and fans are fine with buying the extras as DLC (along with happy buyers being happy to buy the DLC too). So long as it's not in bad taste (crucial story elements, as an example) there's nothing really wrong with DLC, more people buying means more people playing, larger communities and so on. Aesthetics are also nice as DLC since the price gives it a sense of rarity; sure a lot of people will have it, but a lot of people will also not have it.

Of course since most DLC is slapped on 60$ titles (or more, if you buy special packs) and given that titles going for more then 60$ is mortal sin, the perspective of it lowering the price is very foggy and DLC has a pretty bad reputation at the moment. And don't get me wrong, I do think that if you're going to go for the 60$ price you should make damn sure you keep to your budget and don't need DLC at all, and especially not launch DLC (unless it's a port, and the other system had DLC, in which case it's preferred if the DLC is integrated or available).

[GDB]

Originally Posted by felix

Edge Meltdown, I don't think you're naive, I think people are generalizing this one category of digital goods into an "always a bad thing" concept.

The naivety was hoping/believing that more time to develop games would lead to a decrease in DLC due to having time to put them on the disc. That would be true for some free DLC, but most DLC is DLC because they can make more money. Has nothing to do with time. And this statement is beyond "good" or "bad", it's about "money". I'm not stating validity, just reality.

[felix]

Originally Posted by GDB

The naivety was hoping/believing that more time to develop games would lead to a decrease in DLC due to having time to put them on the disc.

Ah.

Originally Posted by GDB

That would be true for some free DLC, but most DLC is DLC because they can make more money. Has nothing to do with time. And this statement is beyond "good" or "bad", it's about "money". I'm not stating validity, just reality.

In my defense I did explain how, in a sense, it was all about money.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by GDB

There's really nothing wrong with experience gaining or item gaining DLC. It's not required, it doesn't change the story any, and you aren't required to purchase it. Or does other people being able to beat a game that they otherwise wouldn't somehow diminish its quality? Don't pull an elitist card here, we aren't talking about multiplayer games or anything.

The SMT pay 2 win dungeon is total bs lol.

[Gundamx]

Originally Posted by Westlo

The SMT pay 2 win dungeon is total bs lol.

almost all FTP = P2W
(That why FTP = get same of not more profit than P2P )

[Destined_Fate]

Originally Posted by Westlo

LOL

Even Nintendo has found DLC and they don't give a shit if it breaks a game, see Fire Emblem and SMT. Pay 2 win.

Well yeah it breaks the game. Game was easy anyway, DLC isn't needed at all. Not even for Lunatic+ but it sure makes you far less of a masochist on Lunatic+ if you have DLC as it was poorly balanced early on in the game.

[com_gwp]

One of my most burning questions about the system, which I can't seem to find the answer to:

Was there any mention of the Dualshock 4's D-Pad? Is it going to be as clickly and responsive as Vita's awesome one?

[Destined_Fate]

https://www.facebook.com/AmazonVideo...1317646&rest=1

Just Amazon data.

[Westlo]

Ready at Dawn describes The Order as third-person action/adventure

Nice, also they've said that the trailer was running from an in game engine (so basically a cut scene using the game's graphics) and that it uses the same models for gameplay.

Anyway here was the list from neogaf on what sony studios are working on and may be rumored to work on.

Confirmed Upcoming

PS3
Naughty Dog Team A - The Last of Us
Polyphony Digital - Gran Turismo 6
Quantic Dreams Team A - Beyond
Sony Japan - Pupeteer, Rain
Supermassive Games - Until Dawn

PS4
Guerilla Games Team A - Killzone Shadowfall
Evolution - Drive Club
Sucker Punch - inFamous Second Son
Sony Japan - Knack
Ready at Dawn - The Order 1886
Team ICO - The Last Guardian
SOE Team A - Planetside 2 PS4 port
SOE Team 2 - Everquest Next
SCE San Diego - MLB The Show (not announced but duh)

PSVITA
Guerilla Cambridge - Killzone Mercenery
Novarama - InVizimals The Alliance
Media Molecule Team B - Tearaway
Double Eleven - Frozen Synapse Tactics

Developers due for a game

Media Molecule Team A - LittleBigPlanet 3D?
Guerilla Games Team B - New RPG IP?
Santa Monica Team A - New IP for PS4? Stig's new IP.
Santa Monica Team B - GoW PS4 next?
Naughty Dog Team B - Uncharted 4?
Quantic Dreams Team B - PS4 Game?
Zindagi - Sports Champions 3?
The Workshop - PS4 Move Game?
Giant Sparrow - Artsy PSN Game?
Team Siren - Gravity Rush 2?
Bend - Uncharted Vita 2?
London - AR Game for PS3/Vita?
Clap Hanz - Hotshots Tennis?
Tarsier Studio - New IP?
San Diego - Was making Warriors Lair?
DrinkBox - Making PSN game?
Just Add Water - Oddworld game PS4/Vita?

And of course all the ps3 teams will be going straight into ps4, so gt7, the last of us 2 or a new IP from Naughty Gods etc.

[Dextro]

Originally Posted by com_gwp

One of my most burning questions about the system, which I can't seem to find the answer to:

Was there any mention of the Dualshock 4's D-Pad? Is it going to be as clickly and responsive as Vita's awesome one?

The hands on I've seen don't touch much on it but looking at them I'm betting they are closer to the Dualshock 3 ones than the Vita ones.

Example: The Verge

[dmaxzero]

GT6 for PS3?? how does that makes any sense?

[defki]

Originally Posted by dmaxzero

GT6 for PS3?? how does that makes any sense?

An 80 million user base that's how it makes sense. Sony will not just abandon the PS3.

Also Kazunori has not ruled out a PS4 version of GT6. It will come.

http://www.officialplaystationmagazi...-next-gen-gt6/

http://gematsu.com/2013/06/ps4-gran-...turally-appear

[Dextro]

Originally Posted by dmaxzero

GT6 for PS3?? how does that makes any sense?

The same reason Pokemon White/Black Version 2 came out for the DS instead of the 3DS: you make more money of an engine you already have and you reach a wider number of potential buyers

[Destined_Fate]

http://www.ibtimes.com/ps4-sony-ceo-...supply-1307745

Sony is facing high demand for the PS4, may have issues fulfilling orders.

[GDB]

Glad I got my pre-order in on Amazon before the "Pre-order" button was even available (had to click "available from these sellers", choose amazon, and proceed from there). Even if I don't want to keep it this early in the cycle, seems like it may be an easy flip.

[Xefi]

Originally Posted by Vigo

An 80 million user base that's how it makes sense. Sony will not just abandon the PS3.

Also Kazunori has not ruled out a PS4 version of GT6. It will come.

http://www.officialplaystationmagazi...-next-gen-gt6/

http://gematsu.com/2013/06/ps4-gran-...turally-appear

thanks, i'll wait for the ps4 version of gt6 then.

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

http://www.ibtimes.com/ps4-sony-ceo-...supply-1307745

Sony is facing high demand for the PS4, may have issues fulfilling orders.

already got it pre-ordered when Sony announced the price @ E3 on amazon.

[RobotCat]

What is the PS4 actually launching with? It seems like most of the titles they've announced don't actually have solid release dates yet.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by RobotCat

What is the PS4 actually launching with? It seems like most of the titles they've announced don't actually have solid release dates yet.

I just looked it up. It seems most game companies still have a TBA on their launch day. So you probably don't know what games are truly available until 1 month before release.