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MartianMage · 2013-09-22, 08:42

It is an anime original? Wow... just wow... I have no words regarding how silly of them to reverse it like that.

Anyway overall yeah this anime ended up pretty bad. IMO the direction and animation for this is quite good they really know how to set the mood but really not enough to save this anime for it's confusing plot.

Kakkou · 2013-09-22, 09:19

What the hell was that? That made no darn sense at all and is apparently anime original to boot? The asspull at the end in particular was the biggest straw and dealt the most salt to the wound. What made them think any of that made sense or a good idea to begin with? Utterly disappointing.

farios · 2013-09-22, 09:28

Spoiler for LN Ending:

Kanon · 2013-09-22, 09:43

I thought this episode was really good on an emotional level --- but yeah, that made no sense like most of this show. Why did Dee not have a body in the real world before? How did neither Alis nor Dee know Alis was the one who died even though they had the article that revealed everything? (that really was a huge spoiler) How did Ai save Alice? So many questions, no answers.

And no, this wasn't anime original. I assume the LNs explained everything in greater details. It'd be nice if someone could fill the plot holes for us.

MartianMage · 2013-09-22, 09:49

It wasn't an anime original? lol seriously super confusing...

Haak · 2013-09-22, 10:04

I'd be very surprised if that was an anime original. Because if anything this show has been very consistent in ending arcs as complete clusterfucks. I'd say it's almost the freaking staple of the show.

Incidentally, does anyone know when the soundtrack is coming out?

GDB · 2013-09-22, 10:20

I liked it. But then again, it seems like I came to terms and accepted the fact that things would be very rushed back around episode 3 or 4. The show's much more enjoyable when you expect that and don't let it put you off.

Blaat · 2013-09-22, 11:09

Honestly the fake-out on the supposedly emotional ending is what annoyed me the most. "Alice is dead! Guess what he's not! hahahahaha fooled ya! END".

That shaking focusing in and out camera effect also annoyed me, in fact things not making any sense (they don't) is what bothering me the least.

Dextro · 2013-09-22, 11:37

Well, the plot went completely bonkers by the end of the first arc so yeah, I wasn't expecting this last arc to give us anything particularly different.

One thing's true: the show had charm and atmosphere at least. It's more than I can say of plenty of shows that show up each year. It's a shame that those two things aren't enough to rescue what is an overly contrived plot overall.

I'm still not disappointed in having watched this show thought but probably won't be recommending it to anyone any time soon.

erika4dsl · 2013-09-22, 12:48

I was in another forum and apparently in the ending,

Spoiler:

So I guess that Alis and Ai would end up falling in love with each other.

larethian · 2013-09-22, 13:03

While I know there's no point seeking sense, coherency and congruency in this story (watching this is just for the heartstrings to be tugged and for the philosophical questions the writer throws at us through the characters), but HTF did Dee become incorporeal in the outside world if she didn't die? Don't tell me that her real body is in the other dimension. And in that case, what kind of body did Alis have in the outside world if he did die?

MCAL · 2013-09-22, 13:31

I got this from a LN reader, so I thought this was worth a look...

Spoiler:

Rogue66 · 2013-09-22, 13:31

I enjoy watch it but the story had problem from the start, they must have missed out a lot of bit from the novels, the ending it self was confusing, i wished they explain it better. I think the problem was they try to adapt to many volume of the novel in just 12 episode, but it was an enjoyable watch.

By the way are light novel worth a read.

Dop · 2013-09-22, 13:35

I liked this show for its atmosphere and the fact that it was in many ways something different. Maybe it would have benefited from a longer adaptation rather than being shoehorned into 12 episodes, but I really liked its mystery and 'cosy catastrophe' setting.
On the whole if they continued Ai's journey through this world I'd definitely want to watch it.

Om Nerabdator · 2013-09-22, 13:37

i stopped watching this after the 1st ep caught my interest enough to read the manga then saw Hampnie bashing the living crap out of her for what? being happy?go lucky?grave keeper?

but today i downloaded the last 3 eps and watched them all....god they were good! wish i didnt see that damn manga now, i would of kept with it!

Om Nerabdator · 2013-09-22, 13:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by MontyAI

This show's good at not making any sense.

But damn it looks good doing it ^^

Chaos2Frozen · 2013-09-22, 13:52

Once you accept the abrupt plot twists and resolutions, the show does well to sell you on the atmosphere, drama, and 'feel goodness' of the story.

ookamigirl · 2013-09-22, 14:15

The truth is finally revealed.
Students were faced with reality they wished so hard it wasn't true.
Looks like Dee wasn't ready to give up the borrowed time.
I'm glad things turned out differently this time, but with a price.
The twist with who's really the dead one was a nice surprise.
Good final episode, but kinda sad too.
It ended like there could be more to come..

Shinhwa · 2013-09-22, 14:37

I cried after watching this episode... It was just too emotional ;______;

zamas · 2013-09-22, 15:20

I'm reassured to see that I'm not the only one confused by the last arc and even by the whole story.

It began with "god abandonned humanity" and then turned into " In fact it's just that everything you truly whish for happens". Doing that bring a lot of potential since you can create whatever story you want. Even people believing they died but not really

. It really is a convenient idea.

But still I enjoyed the serie as a whole. Loved the chara design. And the drama. The part with Ai and her dad was really nice. Sad but still nice. Not the best serie for me but I don't regret watching it.

@MCAL : thank for the info. It seems more "logic" with what you wrote here.

2013-09-22, 08:42	Link #661
MartianMage Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006	It is an anime original? Wow... just wow... I have no words regarding how silly of them to reverse it like that. Anyway overall yeah this anime ended up pretty bad. IMO the direction and animation for this is quite good they really know how to set the mood but really not enough to save this anime for it's confusing plot. __________________ Homura: Die monster! You don't belong in this world! Kyubey: It was not by my hand that I am once again given flesh. I was called here by humans who wish to pay me tribute. Homura: Tribute? You steal girls' souls, and make them your slaves! Kyubey: Perhaps the same could be said of all religions. Homura: Your words are as empty as your soul! Lolis ill-needs a savior such as you! Kyubey: What is a loli? A miserable little pile of moe! But enough talk...have at you!

2013-09-22, 09:28	Link #663
farios Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009	Spoiler for LN Ending: Hmm if 2ch is to be believed, it's not an anime original at all, in the LN Alice is the one that died and ends the same as the anime verson __________________ a fallen Angel never smiles A fresh shrine will be built by the hands of the lord on top of numerous sacrifices.

2013-09-22, 09:43	Link #664
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	I thought this episode was really good on an emotional level --- but yeah, that made no sense like most of this show. Why did Dee not have a body in the real world before? How did neither Alis nor Dee know Alis was the one who died even though they had the article that revealed everything? (that really was a huge spoiler) How did Ai save Alice? So many questions, no answers. And no, this wasn't anime original. I assume the LNs explained everything in greater details. It'd be nice if someone could fill the plot holes for us. __________________

2013-09-22, 09:49	Link #665
MartianMage Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006	It wasn't an anime original? lol seriously super confusing... __________________ Homura: Die monster! You don't belong in this world! Kyubey: It was not by my hand that I am once again given flesh. I was called here by humans who wish to pay me tribute. Homura: Tribute? You steal girls' souls, and make them your slaves! Kyubey: Perhaps the same could be said of all religions. Homura: Your words are as empty as your soul! Lolis ill-needs a savior such as you! Kyubey: What is a loli? A miserable little pile of moe! But enough talk...have at you!

2013-09-22, 10:04	Link #666
Haak Me, An Intellectual Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Age: 33	I'd be very surprised if that was an anime original. Because if anything this show has been very consistent in ending arcs as complete clusterfucks. I'd say it's almost the freaking staple of the show. Incidentally, does anyone know when the soundtrack is coming out? __________________ MAL \| AnimeSuki Choice Awards 2020 Winners

2013-09-22, 09:19	Link #662
Kakkou Tch. Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Australia	What the hell was that? That made no darn sense at all and is apparently anime original to boot? The asspull at the end in particular was the biggest straw and dealt the most salt to the wound. What made them think any of that made sense or a good idea to begin with? Utterly disappointing.

2013-09-22, 10:20	Link #667
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	I liked it. But then again, it seems like I came to terms and accepted the fact that things would be very rushed back around episode 3 or 4. The show's much more enjoyable when you expect that and don't let it put you off.

2013-09-22, 11:09	Link #668
Blaat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004	Honestly the fake-out on the supposedly emotional ending is what annoyed me the most. "Alice is dead! Guess what he's not! hahahahaha fooled ya! END". That shaking focusing in and out camera effect also annoyed me, in fact things not making any sense (they don't) is what bothering me the least. __________________ MyAnimeList

2013-09-22, 11:37	Link #669
Dextro He Without a Title Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The land of tempura	Well, the plot went completely bonkers by the end of the first arc so yeah, I wasn't expecting this last arc to give us anything particularly different. One thing's true: the show had charm and atmosphere at least. It's more than I can say of plenty of shows that show up each year. It's a shame that those two things aren't enough to rescue what is an overly contrived plot overall. I'm still not disappointed in having watched this show thought but probably won't be recommending it to anyone any time soon. __________________

2013-09-22, 12:48	Link #670
erika4dsl Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013	I was in another forum and apparently in the ending, Spoiler: Ai made a wish for Alis to be revived. So I guess that Alis and Ai would end up falling in love with each other.

2013-09-22, 13:03	Link #671
larethian Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010	While I know there's no point seeking sense, coherency and congruency in this story (watching this is just for the heartstrings to be tugged and for the philosophical questions the writer throws at us through the characters), but HTF did Dee become incorporeal in the outside world if she didn't die? Don't tell me that her real body is in the other dimension. And in that case, what kind of body did Alis have in the outside world if he did die?

2013-09-22, 13:31	Link #672
MCAL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012	I got this from a LN reader, so I thought this was worth a look... Spoiler: “Ai from the novel did not realise Alis is the one who dead until the classmates ‘told’ her with their gazes. When both of them are still in the classroom alone, Ai thinks to herself that this world already has no master (observer), the world is already collapsing but she is able to support Alis’s existence like this. She can’t help but made a wish to bring Alis back, to revive him. (This is something unintentional on her part) And like this, Alis got revived Note: Master (Observer) of the delusional world being the Class 3-4 students who made the wish, not including Alis because he didn’t make the wish. He is able to leave the world whenever he can unlike outsiders is because he is the reason/part of the wish that Class 3-4 made. Alis is dead and he’d been given a formal burial by a gravekeeper (as mentioned in anime too). The reason why Dee is a ghost outside is because Class 3-4 and her bodies are all trapped inside the world, if any of them leave without breaking the wish/the delusional world, they will only leave with their spirit form, without physical body . Alis can leave with physical body seem like it’s because his dead body is outside the delusional world, different from the rest of the class.”

2013-09-22, 13:31	Link #673
Rogue66 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013	I enjoy watch it but the story had problem from the start, they must have missed out a lot of bit from the novels, the ending it self was confusing, i wished they explain it better. I think the problem was they try to adapt to many volume of the novel in just 12 episode, but it was an enjoyable watch. By the way are light novel worth a read.

2013-09-22, 13:35	Link #674
Dop Mmmm.... Join Date: Sep 2006	I liked this show for its atmosphere and the fact that it was in many ways something different. Maybe it would have benefited from a longer adaptation rather than being shoehorned into 12 episodes, but I really liked its mystery and 'cosy catastrophe' setting. On the whole if they continued Ai's journey through this world I'd definitely want to watch it.

2013-09-22, 13:37	Link #675
Om Nerabdator ~Maru~ Join Date: Mar 2008	i stopped watching this after the 1st ep caught my interest enough to read the manga then saw Hampnie bashing the living crap out of her for what? being happy?go lucky?grave keeper? but today i downloaded the last 3 eps and watched them all....god they were good! wish i didnt see that damn manga now, i would of kept with it! __________________

2013-09-22, 13:52	Link #677
Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	Once you accept the abrupt plot twists and resolutions, the show does well to sell you on the atmosphere, drama, and 'feel goodness' of the story. __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

2013-09-22, 14:15	Link #678
ookamigirl Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	The truth is finally revealed. Students were faced with reality they wished so hard it wasn't true. Looks like Dee wasn't ready to give up the borrowed time. I'm glad things turned out differently this time, but with a price. The twist with who's really the dead one was a nice surprise. Good final episode, but kinda sad too. It ended like there could be more to come.. __________________ My Blog --> ookami

2013-09-22, 14:37	Link #679
Shinhwa Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Age: 33	I cried after watching this episode... It was just too emotional ;______;

2013-09-22, 15:20	Link #680
zamas Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: France	I'm reassured to see that I'm not the only one confused by the last arc and even by the whole story. It began with "god abandonned humanity" and then turned into " In fact it's just that everything you truly whish for happens". Doing that bring a lot of potential since you can create whatever story you want. Even people believing they died but not really . It really is a convenient idea. But still I enjoyed the serie as a whole. Loved the chara design. And the drama. The part with Ai and her dad was really nice. Sad but still nice. Not the best serie for me but I don't regret watching it. @MCAL : thank for the info. It seems more "logic" with what you wrote here.