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2010-07-09, 18:09 | Link #13562 |
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I thought Gohda and Rosa received the same treatment... as well as Kumasawa, Nanjo and Genji later on. Defacing could show that the murderer wants to make the family completely cease to exist... or it could be they couldn't handle the stares of the dead. I dunno.
Also, for some reason, I also thought that the stakes could work very effectively as spearheads. It's said several times that you simply wouldn't be able to get something with so short a handle into someone's skull... so what if the murderer, say, attached the stakes to the end of a candlestick to form a makeshift spear, allowing for easy gougings, and changed the head each time? |
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Dlanor: "Can you prove that this corpse is Ushiromiya Kinzo's?! No matter how much it resembles him, unless you can prove that it is him, it is possible to claim that it was a substitute corpse from someone ELSE!! Can you show that it was Kinzo's corpse with the truth of HUMANS?! In this case alone, and with the red truth specifically, no counterargument will be effective...!!" Battler: "In this closed-off Rokkenjima, there is no objective way to show that this corpse is Grandfather's." Dlanor: "And that itself suggests the possibility that this corpse is a body double! This unidentifiable corpse cannot serve as proof of Kinzo's death...!!" Erika: "......Checkmate...!! My theory does not waver!!" And then comes the gold.
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2010-07-09, 19:18 | Link #13566 |
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Speaking of gold truth, could it be that's it's supposed to be some kind of "constants". In other words, things that have to be true or otherwise the Rokkenjima Incident would not be possible. For example, when it concerns Kinzo's corpse, Battler has "understood" that without Kinzo dead, it is not possible for the whole Incident to happen, and thus it has to be true. If the corpse would not be Kinzo's, Kinzo would have to be alive, and so the "game" could not exist in the first place. It certainly would fit with the requirement of having to "understand the innermost depths of Beato's game".
Just a thought, though.
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But we were talking about theories like this; there's no clues in EP1-4 or even 5 and 6 about body doubles or something funky with Kinzo like having a twin. In fact we have clues about him being uniquely identified by the polydactyly. So we already can counter Dlanor's theory on this board by the lack of clues to support her theory. Maybe that's what the Gold Truth is? It's not just that we the readers, or the meta-characters have subjectively observed and decided it is Kinzo's body... it's that PLUS that we have not found any evidence to the contrary. And we will NEVER find clues to the contrary. And this is what the Gamemaster can declare, or someone who knows the truth and what the Gamemaster is thinking. "Yah, there's no way we're going to go down that route." So.. Gold represents a subjective view and then seals off the possibility of counter arguments from then on due to the observed lack of clues? EDIT: As my friend so aptly put it: "Gold is used to defeat theories that have no facts to back it up." Take that, Dlanor! <WHACK!> |
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2010-07-09, 23:42 | Link #13568 |
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After seeing to the End of Ep5, I thought Battler was the Culprit, lol, but there is the
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So that threw that idea out of the water, lol. But like Red Truth, Golden Truth is suppose to be more effective, but It contradicts the earlier statements and can even bypass Knox's 2nd. If some rules can be Bypassed, that means that earlier red truth statements can be voided. Spoiler for :
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Lots of contradictions in the plot and with the magic being shown as well *Disregarding the cat box theory and such* It's hard to tell what is real or not, because too many disguised characters which makes the 18 people on the island look like a hell of a lot more to the point where you can't tell at all, lol.
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2010-07-10, 00:55 | Link #13569 | |
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2010-07-10, 08:07 | Link #13570 |
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We are usually operating on the assumption that scenes where Battler is present to observe them are presented as he sees them. This does not always produce good results, but if we cast that off we got nothing to step on. But let's try again from a different direction. What if an objectively observing narrator exists, but it is someone else? That is, which other charactera aren't seen when anything magical happens, survive for long enough, and can be believed to have a very factual point of view?
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2010-07-10, 08:37 | Link #13571 | |
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Basically you can state that The invisible pink unicorn exists! and there would be no possible way to counter it.
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2010-07-10, 09:29 | Link #13572 | |
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2010-07-10, 09:44 | Link #13575 |
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Look red has precise rules. You can't use red unless you have 100% certainty that it's true.
Of course I can't say that in red that invisible pink unicorn is real, in fact I used gold.
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2010-07-10, 09:46 | Link #13576 |
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I can say it in red if there is a real white horse being used!. It's hypothetical anyway so there is no real problem here. You also wouldn't be able to use that gold unless a unicorn was seen. You can't just claim something exists unless it was presented in the story. None of the texts work out of context from the story.
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2010-07-10, 09:49 | Link #13577 |
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Then I guess you don't know the invisible pink unicorn
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2010-07-10, 09:55 | Link #13579 |
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i think the red Battler uses In this closed-off Rokkenjima, there is no objective way to show that this corpse is Grandfather's. might be a hint. I cant quite remember what "objective" means but isnt it what someone sees or something like that?(shoulda paid more attention in high school english) I took that to mean that if they were to take the corpse off Rokenjima there would be an objective way to show its Kinzo's thus Gold truth is Stronger. In ep 6 obviously it isnt magic, but maybe if you were to show the trick to someone at random theyd think its magic (brain fails to give me the right words to explain this) thus Gold is weaker.
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2010-07-10, 09:59 | Link #13580 |
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Actually that suggests it can be proven objectively before the island is closed off too. If you want to get really technical. It can also be proven subjectively while it's closed off. Which is our basis for calling the gold a subjective truth.
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