2009-10-12, 09:09 | Link #2981 | |
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Haruhi doesn't have to be the plot-mover. Heck, the key situation of the novels/anime frequently requires Haruhi to be the only major character not consciously involved in moving the plot forward.
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2009-10-12, 11:11 | Link #2982 |
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Actually, it might be a possibility during Intrigues at some point, especially approaching the end, where I could see her only "appearance" in the (likely penultimate) episode as on the other end of a rushed Kyon phone call. Still, though, she is a constant presence in the plot, as many have stated. In fact, before the very end part of Intrigues (the resolution of the B plot), the scene where she's relegated to phone duty is arguably her most important contribution to the A plot.
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2009-10-12, 11:47 | Link #2983 | |
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Think the Haruhi franchise should be viewed separately from the market. We don't know yet how the sales will develop of S2. Maybe E8 had a damaging effect, but it's also possible that a lot of fans wait till the Blu-ray comes. The movie is also a different situation. The first Kyoani movie with the best Haruhi script has a lot of potential for succes and is an opportunity for the company to progress. A season 3 could easily ride on the waves created by that. |
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2009-10-12, 20:52 | Link #2984 | |
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However, you should remember this is just worse then Mystérique Sign (or novel Lone Island) because the story is longer. Since the begining it has some stories where she do nothing important. And most chapters she is only important by being her, she is pretty away from the main plot of Sighs, for exemple. Last edited by Heatth; 2009-10-13 at 10:57. |
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2009-10-12, 23:51 | Link #2985 | |
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I've never understood the "x character must be involved in every story" mentality. It seems incredibly self-centered (regarding the "x character" fans) and/or short-sighted (regarding the "x character sells the most swag" part of the argument) to me. The work should speak for itself, no matter who is in it.
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2009-10-12, 23:58 | Link #2988 | |
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However, I also think that 'the other side' has a valid argument. It's not that Haruhi's being the titular character renders her essential to every story, but part of the considerable enjoyment people got from the stories in Melancholy was the dual action of Haruhi turning Kyon's life upside down through sheer force of personality layered over the larger cosmic impacts of her actions, and much of the dramatic and comedic tension stemmed from his efforts to manage the latter and keeping it from overflowing into the former. It was a good dynamic. Personally, however, I see that dynamic changing into something else as a sign of the maturation of Kyon's and Haruhi's relationship. I'd like to see a bit more of what exactly it is maturing into first-hand but the other stories have been very enjoyable nonetheless. |
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2009-10-13, 01:01 | Link #2989 | ||
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That's why the series has evolved to give other characters more of a chance to shine (namely Yuki as well a Mikuru to a lesser extent), plus Tanigawa also created some now characters fo the nineth novel. I think it gives the series the kind of depth that it was missing in the first novel. And ultimately, Haruhi is almost always important even if she's not in the forefront of the story. She is "God" after all. The one thing that makes me wonder is whether Aya Hirano is okay with her character being out on the sidelines so much. I don't know how things are done in Japan, but in Hollywood, such a situation would often lead to the actor demanding more screen time even if it meant changing the plot to do so. A LOT of good shows were ruined because of stuff like that. |
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2009-10-13, 01:12 | Link #2990 | |
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INB4 more "you hate Haruhi" rhetoric. This does not mean I dislike Aya Hirano's performance (far from it) or her as a person (don't know her), I'm just pragmatic. The novels, in other words, the source of new Haruhi information, are created by Tanigawa. If the anime franchise withers and dies, that does nothing to diminish the quality of that source material or keep someone 20-30 years down the road from resurrecting it. Nor, frankly, should it keep him from writing more novels, as long as his level of output remains high. He is the center if the franchise, no matter who directly makes the most money or is the most recognizable face.
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2009-10-13, 11:18 | Link #2992 | ||
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Please, don't misunderstand me, I agree with you. I couldn't care less if Haruhi do or do not appear in a episode or not. I was just pointing this is not likely to happen anyway. Quote:
However, again, I don't believe this is necessery. Without Disappearance and besides Intrigues, the episodes that aren't focused on Haruhi wouldn't be worse then many early episodes (with at last one when Kyon don't do nothing but watch Haruhi and Tsuruya playing around). For Intrigues, while she is, plot wise, less important for the plot then in any other novel, she still have some great scenes. Assuming there would be between 5 and 7 episodes, I would say she would barelly appear in just 3 (aout of at last 14). Hardly something that would hurt Aya ego. |
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2009-10-13, 11:23 | Link #2993 |
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If she's going to stick around for the Disappearance movie(where Haruhi is almost completely absent), especially after her complaints over having to do 8 nearly identical episodes, I don't think missing two or three episodes would change anything.
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Kyon and Haruhi are both indispensible characters, imo. The story revolves around each of them, albeit in different ways. Quote:
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Haruhi is a character-driven anime/novel. The characters are the story... so much so that one of them is the narrator. "The work" is indivisible from its characters. You can do good spin-offs that don't involve all of the SOS Brigade (the Yuki-chan manga immediately comes to mind), but the main continuity is firmly wrapped around the SOS Brigade, and Kyon and Haruhi in particular. Quote:
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With the exception of Gundam, NGE, and "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" inspired stories, anime is very new-centric. Older material is frequently forgotten, for good, sadly. Haruhi isn't yet on the level of Gundam or NGE; not at the anime level.
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2009-10-13, 11:59 | Link #2995 |
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Triple, I said once and I am saying again, that problem don't exist at all.
As you said, the story revolves around Kyon and Haruhi. There wasn't any novel when any of then hadn't at last one important scene. And everything revolves around Haruhi, in a way or another. Disapperance and Intrigues are focused on Yuki and Mikuru respectively and Haruhi really does appear less there then in other novels. However, she is still very important for Disappearance plot and, while the same may don't apply for Intrigues, she still has some nice scenes from the begining to the end. So, even if there is a entire novel focused on Itsuki or Kunikida (and I believe Itsuki is needing one), is not like she will be a background character. Specially in a novel centred on Itsuki and his Organizatio. All characters are tied to Haruhi, so, exploring they more is also exporing Haruhi in a different way. |
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I meant I wouldn't want a novel where Itsuki, Kunikida, and Kyon are the only characters there. A novel that simply focuses on those three? No problem. Actually, like you said, Itsuki could use a greater focus put on him.
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Similarly I have a problem with overpromotion of a character, even if they're supposedly the centerpiece of the series, because all characters eventually wear thin with people, and overpromotion exacerbates that. All the characters are important to the story, and undue focus on any one character causes problems, especially if the creator starts reading his own press and changing plot decisions based upon it.
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