Character Discussion - Kallen

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by pingva

These two episodes is left to resolve the deal among the most important plot characters: C.C., Lelouch, Suzaku, Nunnally, Schneizel.

AND kallen
who is the fourth main character (and more importent the nunnaly and Schneizel
kinda dumb to end it without her being part of it (unless the prodction team just deceided to royally butt fuck her character)

[Dream_Traveller]

But barely as important as any of the mentioned five.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

But barely as important as any of the mentioned five.

yet
which was my whole point
not yet becouse for now she doesnt know the facts (thanx to lulu)
if they end her part in the plot in such a way then they have basiclly dropped a bridge on her
worse then cornelia since while cornelia was an awesome secendery character kallen is an awesome main character
not having her take part in the final plot is a bridge drop and a cock slap to ever fan of the character

[pingva]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

yet
which was my whole point
not yet becouse for now she doesnt know the facts (thanx to lulu)
if they end her part in the plot in such a way then they have basiclly dropped a bridge on her
worse then cornelia since while cornelia was an awesome secendery character kallen is an awesome main character
not having her take part in the final plot is a bridge drop and a cock slap to ever fan of the character

The problem is that she was developed earlier and these five still holds secrets. She will be in the final plot, but as supporting character.

[youngde]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

But barely as important as any of the mentioned five.

But she is as important, and she has unresolved questions about her relationship with Lelouch. She has yet to fulfill her 'essential' role. Plus, the two main mechs need to last, at least until the final episode.

At any rate Lelouch's, Nunnally's and Schneizel's plots will probably be resolved largely together anyway, so it's not like they have that many plot lines going right now. (Unless Cornelia is still alive, and Anya still has a role, and the other BK still do something, and Xing Ke's disease crops up at the last second, and Diethard is really a spy, and Gino actually does something of value...)

[Dream_Traveller]

So her trying to find out the answer to her little selfish question of "What do I mean to you?!" is important?

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by pingva

The problem is that she was developed earlier and these five still holds secrets.

what does that have to do with anything
aside from what zero requiam actually means there arent any secrets for C.C lulu and suzaku
and we just found out what shnizel wants to do in the end

and at what point does a main character stop being importent to the plot of the end of the show
how does that happen exactly

[youngde]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

So her trying to find out the answer to her little selfish question of "What do I mean to you?!" is important?

It may very well be if the answer causes her to help Lelouch or save him from himself. We don't know yet.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

So her trying to find out the answer to her little selfish question of "What do I mean to you?!" is important?

her main question is at this point our question
what the fuck is lulu up to

[pingva]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

what does that have to do with anything
aside from what zero requiam actually means there arent any secrets for C.C lulu and suzaku
and we just found out what shnizel wants to do in the end

and at what point does a main character stop being importent to the plot of the end of the show
how does that happen exactly

See Nunnally, Lelouch, Suzaku, C.C., Schneizel are important PLOT characters even when they are in the shadows.

[Dream_Traveller]

No, it isn't. Her gum line still points to her being concerned, if not exclusively, about her goddamn feelings towards Lelouch, or, rather, what Lelouch thinks of her.

[youngde]

Originally Posted by pingva

The problem is that she was developed earlier and these five still holds secrets.

Yes, the whole point is she was developed, but her plot line was never resolved. Not resolving a plot line that so much of the season was dedicated to is poor writing and poor story telling.

[Verist]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

So her trying to find out the answer to her little selfish question of "What do I mean to you?!" is important?

I think she is a bit entitled to be a bit selfish. She has been a good little soldier for both series. I think its high time she looks out for herself.

[Tael]

Originally Posted by Revolutionist

Or he was just buying time so that his army would make it in time when he needed it to...

More plausible is the assumption that he was buying time for Nina to be captured, but even that is a stretch. She'd have been captured sooner or later and the detour really would not have affected that outcome. But, most certainly, it had nothing to do with his army, they were already at Japan.

Originally Posted by pingva

These two episodes is left to resolve the deal among the most important plot characters: C.C., Lelouch, Suzaku, Nunnally, Schneizel.
Kallen was developed earlier and these five characters has the most unanswered questions.

The most important plot characters? Aside from Lelouch, Suzaku, Nunally, and Schneizel, the rest of what you mentioned is hardly the center of the plot. C.C., and Kallen are circumstantial offshoots of the plot. Kallen's role has never been plot central, it has been Lelouch central (saving him, hunting him, loving him, and so on). C.C.'s plot has been Geass related all season with intermittent and rare moments of humanity. But her role hasn't been plot central since 21, and wasn't plot central from 16 on to 20, and wasn't plot central after episode 1 of this season until 14.

Originally Posted by pingva

The problem is that she was developed earlier and these five still holds secrets. She will be in the final plot, but as supporting character.

She wasn't developed earlier, she was developed consistently through the entire season. Find me two consecutive episodes where she does not mention/think of Lelouch and maybe you'll have a point. C.C. is the one who was developed rather randomly this season. Once in 15, which would be earlier this season, and a little bit of sprinkling in 20 and 21. C.C.'s late game development is counter, however, by Kallen's own late game development found in 19, some in 21, and in 22.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

what does that have to do with anything
aside from what zero requiam actually means there arent any secrets for C.C lulu and suzaku
and we just found out what shnizel wants to do in the end

and at what point does a main character stop being importent to the plot of the end of the show
how does that happen exactly

We may know what Schneizel wants to do, but we STILL need his motivation. What pushed him to this, and why does he seem to have a grudge against Lelouch (his conversation with Cornelia in 23 seems to point to that he can't STAND Lelouch at all.)

And Kallen is still an important character, but her overall importance DROPPED big time with the way things are going. She will get her important moment, but there are more important things that need to be explored still...

[Tael]

Originally Posted by Orga777

And Kallen is still an important character, but her overall importance DROPPED big time with the way things are going. She will get her important moment, but there are more important things that need to be explored still...

As did C.C.'s role.

As it stands, neither of these females are plot important. Nunally is the only plot important female.

[bladeofdarkness]

and in case you forgot
ep 22 aside she more or less got shelved from ep 19 onwards in terms of plot importece
now is the best time to bring her in on the plot

[GeostigmataShi]

her development in the past few episode has no more than 1~5? minute in 1 episode T_T
nothing answered and more question appeared!

[Tael]

Originally Posted by GeostigmataShi

her development in the past few episode has no more than 1~5? minute in 1 episode T_T
nothing answered and more question appeared!

Her scene in 22 spanned about four minutes worth of time. I'll agree on the rest though, there are questions left unanswered.

[Kusaja]

Originally Posted by Tael

Her scene in 22 spanned about four minutes worth of time. I'll agree on the rest though, there are questions left unanswered.

Which should be either answered shortly, one way or another, or they'll pretty much be be taken off the table. Not much else can be expected.