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Again, decibel level is a poor base for judging evacuation priority. Not arguing wouldn't help Hyouka against a golem. Quote:
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This is exactly what I'm talking about shoud actually happen when Mikoto sees Touma is involved in something, she steps in to (at the very least try) help, in accordance with her character; it's just that with these guys here, she won't have to contend with a hax ability like Divine Punishment. Quote:
Anyway, just because she had trouble against a Level 0 who not only used tactics but had the homefield advantage (had traps set up and such) doesn't mean Mikoto is weak. Shiage is a Level 0, yet he beat Mugino with tactics. Furthermore, I'd say that that just goes to show how good Frenda is, not how weak Mikoto is. And considering after that fight she immediately confronted and beat Mugino, when she had already been previously exhuasted both mentally and physically, goes even further to show how good Mikoto is. Quote:
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Kuroko: A girl who dearly loves her oneesama, but has specifically stated that she would fight against Mikoto if she became an enemy of Academy City, in accordance with her duties as a member of Judgement. To be perfectly honest, it's an affront to Kuroko's character; she is not so short-sighted as to judge who to save by order of who she likes more and not by who's more vulnerable.
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2011-02-21, 11:47 | Link #8022 | ||||||||
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1. Never knew about Sherry being a magician. 2. Mikoto only paid attention to Touma's memory revelation. 3. Found Touma on his way but never knew who was the enemy. She even asked him to tell her who. Quote:
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Both are the same age: Stiyl has the mentality and determination to kill and its implied he did kill before various times. Mikoto saw a clone being killed and went insane. You know you can win a fight without killing but it gives you less complicated schemes and leads to more effective forms to win a battle. Thats war. Quote:
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You mean the piece of Golem used as a decoy is an apt demonstration? The golem was only a decoy what would have make difference between AIM Burst and Ellis when both has regeneration ability, she was able to stop the first because she GOT the help. The golem just can keep regenerating once and once again until the boredom. What would have done Mikoto against it if she doesn't knows how to fight it and has no idea about a way to find and stop Sherry? Remember to stop an spell you must destroy the ritual location (which there isn't) or KILL the caster. |
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2011-02-21, 14:03 | Link #8025 | ||
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The point is: we don't care about what she would have done, or what would have happened. Not at all. We want her to behave consistently. That is, have the will to try and help, as she would normally do. Take Sherry. Mikoto should have stayed in the mall and help Touma, without Kazakiri, cause she is a damn LEVEL 5! You know Mikoto, she didn't know about magic at that time: she would have done anything possible in order to fight Sherry. Take Touma and Gunha for example. You know she always wants to prove her superiority. About what would've happened later, we don't really care, but for example she could have done an awesome teamfight with Touma. |
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2011-02-21, 14:55 | Link #8026 | |||||||||||||||||||||||
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which doesn't change the fact that Kuroko is not an anti-skill, she even let Touma decide who to evacuate first and just grabbed the two closest persons to her when Index and Kuroko started bitching and losing time over it... Quote:
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Your point, which is what i was countering with this, was that Mikoto is very smart and can defeat magicians by using superior tactics. Except 9 out of 10 magicians are much more experienced than her, so if anything, it would be THEM who hold the tactical advantage over Mikoto. Especially in the case of people like Acqua, who pretty much spent all his life fighting Quote:
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2011-02-21, 15:27 | Link #8028 |
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Why would Mikoto be fighting espers and Level 0's in the back alleys of Academy City? That doesn't make sense at all. It has been said that Mikoto is simply a normal girl with powers, and Railgun clearly shows that.
Stop trying to give Mikoto a dark past that she doesn't have.
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2011-02-21, 16:39 | Link #8030 |
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Yah but it's just horny guys. No actual big deal. Touma and accelerator have been through more shit. I read that as a child he was almost killed because someone blamed him for his misfortune. Referenced as "the plague". I don't even need to get in details with accelerator.
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2011-02-21, 16:46 | Link #8031 | |
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2011-02-21, 16:49 | Link #8032 | |
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Just like Accelerator? Just defeating the enemies with their power doesn't gives experience with figthing skills. |
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2011-02-21, 16:50 | Link #8033 |
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Yes, in the same way that Accelerator has been doing, except to a much lesser degree, in both time and brutality.
Mikoto is a normal girl who occasionally goes out and shocks a bunch of people when they piss her off. Accelerator is a psycho who attacts attackers and then one hit kills them. Or worse, lets them break their arms trying to hurt him and then play with them afterwards. Touma is the unlucky guy that somehow pisses off a bunch of delinquents and then fights them off. Of the three, only one got any real fight experience out of it, and that's Touma. Accel was very blatently called a weakingly who relied on his ability for everything, and so against people who could counter act it, got his ass kicked. It's only against the Hound Dogs and his time in GROUP that he develops skills. Misaka relies on a simple shock attack for most back alley crawlers, and they're down. Compared to 1,2,4,7 and IB, who go around fighting all the time, her experience doesn't compare.
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2011-02-21, 16:58 | Link #8035 | ||
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Only, delinquents in academy city tend to have powers and are generally more dangerous than your average delinquent, so Touma effectively had to learn how to fight and deal with them(which helped him fight magicians later on) Quote:
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2011-02-21, 17:10 | Link #8036 |
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Hey, that was just a question. I didn't read the first novels yet (and the volume I got that quote from has not been translated).
Btw, I know Touma has got more fighting skills than Mikoto, but that doesn't change the fact that she hasn't been growing like a "normal girl"... |
2011-02-21, 17:15 | Link #8037 | |
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She is normal on Academy City standarts. She never saw people badly injured or killed and the first time she sees one, goes insane and mentally unstable and at the end goes suicide. There is no need to check the novels on that part, she just tasted a bit of darkness and that was the inmediate aftermath. Maybe thats why Mugino went all batshit crazy saying Mikoto doesn't knows a bit from the darkness. |
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2011-02-21, 17:21 | Link #8038 |
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By academy city standards, as far as the point we're discussing is concerned, yes, she did. She never was involved in a real battle, never had to fight for her life, and never even saw such a battlefield.
Touma probably didn't either until he met Index, but again, the difference here is that Touma still got into enough brutal fights to develop excellent fighting skills of his own, AND Touma kept being "partnered" with actually experienced pros almost all the time, too And no, i am NOT saying that Mikoto is weak or that she couldn't handle some of the stuff Touma went through, if she were in Touma's place(in fact, she's proven that she would fare just as well) I'm saying she's very unlikely to be able to deal with people more powerful than her with superior tactics, and is still limited(in terms of appearances and role) by the fact that she is NOT part of the dark side. She was involved with it once, and you can see how that was turning out... |
2011-02-21, 17:53 | Link #8039 | |
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She saw bad things about life and did many things no "normal" girl would've done. I've been watching ep 12 again, it's clear that she's conscious about dark things happening all around. She's definitely not that "clean" |
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2011-02-21, 18:09 | Link #8040 |
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Don't feel like replying to the guy who won't listen to anyone so I'll just say something here. Please stop trying to include Mikoto in every instance in the story. Who cares if a convenient plot device was used to keep her out of a fight? Stop and consider that other characters may have been used, characters that are either new or in need of some development, and including Mikoto would have needlessly diluted the inclusion of said characters. She's probably the most developed out of all the supporting characters in the ToAruverse. Let the other supporting characters get their time in the spotlight rather than needlessly trying to include Mikoto in every single damn thing she's able to take part in.
There's liking a character and wanting that character to be shown more, but this is plain absurd. It's not like Mikoto is pulling a Himegami and more or less lost her purpose in the story, hell it's the opposite. Kamachi is finding ways to include her in the story - and her relation to the story is pretty much in pursuit of Touma... Like it or not, but that's pretty her role in the story and it's not much of a role really... Oh well maybe NT will change that? |
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