2012-12-20, 11:22 | Link #3241 | |
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Tsuchiya obviously after Keiichi "Drift King" Tsuchiya with her eagerness to drift the Tiger P Suzuki maybe after Aguri Suzuki former F1 driver and owner of different teams in various racing categories. Nakajima for Kazuki Nakajima. and Hoshino for Kazuyoshi Hoshino. |
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2012-12-20, 11:22 | Link #3242 | |
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Every other Ooarai team has next to nothing. The historical girls are fan favorites, but more for who they're cosplaying as than anything about themselves. The first years in particular are a hive mind who have almost no given personality. I already aired my problems with this back in episode 5.5. Now, for the rival teams - Black Forest and Maho are important enough that they can and have been discussed, and the other teams are kept small enough that they have one or two members of importance who receive ample characterization. I'm okay with this. To go back to Saki, Senriyama was basically defined by Toki and Ryuuka, with the other girls as flavor. I just have more problems with the other Ooarai teams (especially the mechanics and the Momogawa team introduced this week) because they're in a position where they could be considered main characters. And again, the poor first years. The show has enough character development that I can watch and comment every week, but I'm not sure it would be sustainable to people who are watching the show for the girls instead of the machines. And for a person who judges shows primarily by characters and character interactions, that's a pretty glaring flaw. |
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2012-12-20, 11:29 | Link #3243 | |
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There are plenty of shows that are about girls. That is not this series' purpose. This show has two aspects, and one needs to care about both to watch both.
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2012-12-20, 11:48 | Link #3244 | |
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The world in the show just feels so real. Living and breathing with its own customs, history and traditions. To me, this makes the lack of character development okay, simply because it paints them as "some girls" living in this world. So rather than focusing on just TANKS or GIRLS, I'd say my interest is split: 40% - THE WORLD ("Za Warudo!!!") 30% - Tanks! 20% - Girls! 10% - Minutiae (Posters, Kelly's Heroes, etc)
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2012-12-20, 11:49 | Link #3245 | |
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And on /a/, GuP is all about WoT and waifu discussion, with "where is Saki looking at?" occasionally popping up. Oh, and a shitstorm about which girl is dumb.
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2012-12-20, 11:51 | Link #3246 | |
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Characters in this show were secondary to everything else. Though I must admit, the characters nonetheless found a way to invade my psyche. Quite an achievement, I tell ya. - Tak
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2012-12-20, 11:53 | Link #3247 |
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But to me, that just feels weird and unnatural. Tanks don't get character songs, characters do. I know that the scenery and the world can sometimes be characters unto themselves, but that's often done on top of making us care about the humans first.
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2012-12-20, 11:56 | Link #3248 |
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I don't know....I feel like the character are getting enough screen time for what they are worth. I mean, the reason WWII tanks are fascinating is because they are operating by a group of brothers in arm, not individual, and this shows did a good job showing both aspect of the people and the tanks. Why couldn't we look at a group of girls as, say, a group? Why must we are forced to care about each single girl?
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2012-12-20, 11:58 | Link #3249 | |
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Katushya, anyone? From British Grenadiers to Erika... and later to be followed by Panzerlied... I tell ya, I wish this entire show would have had marching music as BGM. - Tak
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2012-12-20, 12:01 | Link #3250 | |
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I've always been more interested in opening/ending themes and character songs than soundtracks. The music the series uses to define its own identity. |
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2012-12-20, 12:21 | Link #3251 |
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I'd say some people prefer to munch & enjoy each ingredient separately, others enjoy the meal as a whole, some others enjoy the presentation, and some are allergic to it and go for something else.
In my case I've enjoyed how they have managed the air time so far, without relegating the tanks to being merely 0.01% of the show like others have done. GuP wouldn't feel the same with the girls goofing around all day long and magically winning matches that take 10 seconds like against Anzio. With 32 characters for the whole Oarai team in a 1 cour anime, it was obvious that most wouldn't get enough development, if not at all. Let's take examples of other shows where characters are mixed with technical stuff, for example Mecha anime. Do every secondary or minor character get any chance to develop, a lot just are merely there to move the plot forward. On the other hand sometimes people pick up an anime expecting certain things. For example K-on, being a light music club you expect something more than girls having tea, eating cakes and goofing around 99.99% of the time and the musical aspect relegated to 0.01% of the show with some tidbits here and there. To tell the truth, I still enjoyed it but I simply switched off my brain and just went wit the flow. Compared to other shows like Nodame Cantabile where it struck me as having the right balance of comedy, slice of life, character development and musical aspect to keep me engaged. Last edited by Kamui04; 2012-12-20 at 12:39. |
2012-12-20, 12:48 | Link #3252 | |
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2012-12-20, 13:57 | Link #3256 | |
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Initially I thought that the show would be like Upotte, with the girls BEING tanks, or like Strike Witches, with one girl getting a tank each and controlling them via magic. The idea being then you would still have a manageable number of characters. This of course would throw any realism out of the window. We could forget about any real discussions on the capability of these tanks in any relate-able scenarios. This would also mean the tanks would be nothing more than window dressing. As without a realistic tank crew, most of the portrayal of tank combat is gone. Alternatively I thought they would focus on only ONE tank. That of the main girls crewing the vehicle and no one else. This means team battles are impossible. And of course early on I realised that wasn't the direction they were going. What they ended up doing was a surprise; mostly fully crewed tanks, with most girls getting voices. They had to sacrifice character screen time to fit everyone in, and it was probably the hardest path to take. But it really was the only way to go to ensure minimum magic and maximum tank team combat. This also means they had to cut corners on everyone who isn't a tank crew member; they can't afford too many side characters. Voice actresses had to get paid.
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2012-12-20, 14:05 | Link #3258 |
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However, I don't necessarily watch anime for realism. This is why I'm looking forward to Vivid Red Operation, more now than ever. The primary weapons are completely fictional, and, while they may be discussed to some degree, this means the characters will have to be the most important thing. I understand what the show is trying to do, and I know that it has a certain audience it appeals to, it just feels unbalanced from my perspective. I'd love to see a spinoff that could do something like give each of the first year girls their own dreams, their own ambitions, their own personalities... but I know there's a slim to none chance of that happening. The show may be building a world, but except for the main characters, it just barely feels like it's populated by anybody. I was glad when the council mentioned past, non-tank related events a few weeks ago. That did more for me than the somewhat myopic view the show takes in regards to its main subject.
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2012-12-20, 14:13 | Link #3259 | |
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I kid, but my point is a world doesn't feel real if the main characters are all important to the entire universe. The world moves on and develops with or without you. That's what makes a world feel real. The fact that even the main characters are such tiny actors on such a huge stage. What you describe would be a myopic view specific to the characters, at the cost of the world, is what I feel.. As you say, each of the characters have their own dreams, ambitions and personalities .. but they are what they are .. single solitary human beings. Therefore each of their own interests, in the interest of world building, won't and shouldn't be focused upon .. instead it they should simply be portrayed in the nuances of their actions and reactions in contrast with each other and the world itself. Not everyone deserves a monologue..
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2012-12-20, 14:20 | Link #3260 | |
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