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End of the Pirate Bay as we know it....has come in an unexpected way...
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As for that quote of yours, it's a reference to the fact that appearing as a talking head on a news program doesn't give you enough time to completely explain your position to the public. Maybe you should read the whole quote and not just the part you bolded? The part right after that especially: "This 'double ethical bind' we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both." At least I should give you credit for posting the whole thing, rather than post that one line completely out of context.
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2009-06-30, 13:28 | Link #3144 | |
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i thought the whole point of the iraq war was cheap oil?
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2009-06-30, 14:56 | Link #3145 |
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Ehh, but breathing produces CO2 too. So do testing nukes, missiles, running nuclear subs, letting carriers going around for kicks etc... "the debate that's left is how bad and how fast." isn't that the only sole aspect we should look at before rushing this son of "cap& trade" bill. The climate is changing. So what? The sun rises in the East. The speed of light is ~300000km/s. I like eggs etc... We cannot make huge investments and great sacrifices on such flimsy ground. About that small quote, I find it amusing that yo think highly of it. My liberal translator reads it as "as long as it fits our agenda, we can make up stuffs." And that comes from one of the leading "scientists" who supports cap and trade. Seriously, you don't need scientists; a shaman would be better. |
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Further, you're using a strawman by claiming I think highly of it. No where did I say I agreed with the quote, I dismissed it by pointing out the context. Though perhaps I should have called you out on the logical fallicy in the previous post?
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Err... breathing is not recycling CO2. Where did you get that from? Now if you add a tree into the picture, it somewhat makes sense. But that's the tree doing the job, not us. We don't recycle jack. I, personally, worry about the tree more.
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About that dude: He's a scientist, no? You guys use him to back you up because he's a scientist or because he's a human being? Both? What happens if he decides he wants to be the latter more? Just to handle the media? Does he realize that the funding of his big-ass project are coming from average tax payers who happens to be heavily influenced by the media? And that his words during those interview matters more than his research thesis? Just scare the shit out of those morons, huh? Quote:
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2009-06-30, 21:14 | Link #3148 | |
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Is our production of carbon dioxide (among other pollutants) combined with our damaging of ecosystems that would normally maintain the balance all something that is responsible for what's going on in terms of climate shifts? Maybe; maybe not. If you don't believe that it is, there's no amount of data that can convince you otherwise. However, knowing that this is the only planet that we know of that we're able to live on, I do believe that you'd agree it wise to play it safe. If there's even a slight chance that our activities are responsible, or that we can reverse the trends, shouldn't we take it? We're talking about energy restrictions and raised costs. This isn't sacrificing your first-born. Putting it into perspective, if the small sacrifices that you make now could potentially hold off the collapse of the various ecosystems that support our civilizations, don't you think it'd be worth it?
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2009-06-30, 21:49 | Link #3150 | |
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I'm tempted to put this in the Silly/Odd News Stories from around the World or Laugh a Day threads, but it is just scary enough to be placed in this thread:
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2009-06-30, 22:10 | Link #3151 | |
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This dude, on the other hand, is still useful to the liberal crowd. His research will be taken seriously by the science community however. But his research is not what the left is after. Oh well, can't blame him though. |
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"In November, 1995, I debated Simon on Lateline, the Australian TV equivalent of the US Nightline program, on the issue of the Chronicle bet. In a segment they did not air, Simon charged that I advocate exaggerating science to enhance the appearance of environmental threats. To bolster this charge he resurrected an oft-quoted, but usually out of context partial quote, from a Discover Magazine interview2 in 1989 in which I decried soundbite science and journalism by pointing out that nobody gets enough time in the media either to cover all the caveats in depth, (i.e., "being honest") or to present all the plausible threats (i.e., "being effective"). During the TV debate, months before Simon's APS News article appeared, I pointed out that he was taking only part of the full quote and that part was seriously out of context - this is the same source he "quoted" in APS News. The full quote follows, where I have italicized what portions of it Simon quoted and bracketed what I did not say but he attributed to me in the APS News article:" Quote:
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So just because the Fedzillla can pass a law telling all States what to do, it doesn't mean they have the authority or power to force the issue.....unless they use blackmail. |
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Who can guess what will be one of the biggest contributor of the green house gas in the next 20 years? It's the cows. I am very serious by the way.
I'll post the article later if I can find it.
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^ The reports appeared some time back and, in my opinion, it's one of the stronger reasons for cutting meat consumption to appear in recent years. I can't find the original reports any more, but here are a couple of other articles related to the topic:
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2009-07-01, 04:57 | Link #3158 | |
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It is not just the Japanese Communists who are helping them but most Japanese businessmen, as well as some intellectuals. I am very certain those are not communists. They are doing whatever that benefits them most, whether it be monetary profits or political gains. Members of every political party do help North Korea. |
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2009-07-01, 06:18 | Link #3159 | |
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I can see what you're getting at though. All living things respire so we can't do much about that, and like Ledgem hinted the CO2 given off is pretty minimal anyway. However the CO2 released when coal burns was last in the air when the dinosaurs ruled the Earth. This carbon has been trapped in 'carbon sinks' (in this case deposits of coal and oil) for millions of years and was effectively removed from the carbon cycle. Now it's being released back at a rate faster than it can be reabsorbed, and that's the main problem. We're slowly reverting the atmosphere to how it was millions of years ago. And there are things we can do about that. Not suprised, too bad we can't "blame the cows". The human population increase means more mouths to feed, and so inevitably intensive farming goes on the up as cows are stuffed with fodder to yield more meat. |
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