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Green² · 2004-10-29, 16:46

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=6663896

Guess he's still alive. Doh!

Maybe he's for the NRA? ...if you've seen the translated video version...

Dhomochevsky · 2004-10-29, 16:51

Didnt see it yet...but read something on another forum.
Seems like he`s trying to take influence on the U.S. elections.

HoboGod · 2004-10-29, 16:51

heh.... sounds like a scare tactic to make people vote bush.

Green² · 2004-10-29, 17:00

October surprise. Only, I lost count on how many surprises there were today...

boneyjellyfish · 2004-10-29, 18:08

Ahh... it seems like it was just yesterday bin Laden was blessing us with little gems like this:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/3...den.interview/

Bin Laden's sole post-September 11 TV interview aired
Fugitive al Qaeda leader vows fight to the death

February 5, 2002

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Accused terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden said "the battle has moved to inside America" in the only television interview he's granted since the September 11 attacks -- now airing for the first time.

The interview was conducted by the Arabic-language Al-Jazeera network in late October. Al-Jazeera decided not to televise it. CNN has obtained the videotape and began airing it Thursday night.

"We will work to continue this battle, God permitting, until victory or until we meet God," bin Laden -- the world's most-wanted fugitive, whose current whereabouts are a mystery -- told the Kabul reporter for the Qatar-based network.

"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed," bin Laden said as the U.S. war on terrorism raged in Afghanistan. "The U.S. government will lead the American people in -- and the West in general -- into an unbearable hell and a choking life."

When asked about U.S. accusations of his "collusion" in the attacks in New York and Washington, bin Laden responded, "America has made many accusations against us and many other Muslims around the world. Its charge that we are carrying out acts of terrorism is unwarranted."

But he then added, "If inciting people to do that is terrorism, and if killing those who kill our sons is terrorism, then let history be witness that we are terrorists."

On Friday, White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer reacted to the bin Laden interview. "Everybody knows how evil Osama bin Laden is," Fleischer told CNN. "Other tapes have shown him take credit for the attacks and show he had advanced knowledge of the attacks. This tape showed the importance of completing the mission and protecting freedom, a mission that is bigger than Osama bin Laden."

Al-Jazeera conducted the exclusive interview with bin Laden on October 21, but declined to air it. Nearly two months later, the network said it did not meet its standards and was not newsworthy.

CNN felt otherwise.

"Once that videotape was in our possession, we felt we had to report on it, and show it because it is extremely newsworthy," said Eason Jordan, CNN's chief news executive. "And we really were dumbfounded as to why Al-Jazeera would decide not to air or even acknowledge the existence of the videotape."

Thursday, Al-Jazeera said it was severing its relationship with CNN and taking "the necessary action to punish the organizations and individuals who stole this video and distributed it illegally."

"Al-Jazeera does not feel it is obligated to explain its position and its reasoning of why it chose not to air the interview," it said in a statement.

CNN issued a statement saying: "CNN did nothing illegal in obtaining this tape, and nothing illegal in airing it -- our affiliate agreement with Al-Jazeera gives us the express right to use any and all footage owned or controlled by Al-Jazeera, without limitation."

Jordan said CNN has worked "very hard to establish and maintain and grow a very, very good relationship with Al-Jazeera, but this is a tough spot." He said the network "has some very tough questions to answer. Among them, why was the interview not ever televised, why did Al-Jazeera initially deny the existence of the tape, and what other tape does Al-Jazeera have, or did it have, that had never been acknowledged or televised. Clearly a lot of interesting material has fallen into Al-Jazeera's hands."

Al-Jazeera has not disclosed where the hour-long interview was conducted. The reporter seemed to have a professional rapport with bin Laden and asked him if he was behind the anthrax attacks in the United States that began some weeks after the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes.

Bin Laden did not offer a direct response but said, "These diseases are a punishment from God and a response to oppressed mothers' prayers in Lebanon and Palestine."

Later, bin Laden said, "We kill the kings of the infidels, kings of the crusaders and civilian infidels in exchange for those of our children they kill. This is permissible in Islamic law and logically."

The reporter then said, "So what you are saying is that this is a type of reciprocal treatment. They kill our innocents, so we kill their innocents?"

Bin Laden's response: "So we kill their innocents, and I say it is permissible in Islamic law and logic."

During the interview, which was taped in late October bin Laden ridiculed White House concerns that other on-camera statements he has issued since September 11 might carry hidden messages.

"They made hilarious claims. They said that Osama's messages have codes in them to the terrorists. It's as if we were living in the time of mail by carrier pigeon, when there are no phones, no travelers, no Internet, no regular mail, no express mail and no electronic mail. I mean, these are very humorous things. They discount people's intellect," bin Laden said.

Bin Laden cited the Soviet debacle in Afghanistan and the United States' failed 1993 mission in Somalia as examples to suggest a U.S. defeat in Afghanistan was within reach.

"We believe that the defeat of America is possible, with the help of God, and is even easier for us -- God permitting -- than the defeat of the Soviet Union was before."

In Somalia, U.S. forces pulled out after 18 U.S. special operations personnel were killed during a raid against a warlord faction in the capital Mogadishu.

"Our brothers with Somali mujahedeen and God's power fought the Americans. God granted them victory. America exited dragging its tails in failure, defeat, and ruin," bin Laden said.

The claim came just a few weeks before the collapse of his Taliban supporters in Afghanistan and the dispersal of his hardcore al Qaeda loyalists.

LoveOfAnime · 2004-10-29, 18:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoboGod

heh.... sounds like a scare tactic to make people vote bush.

You are soooo right. Did anyone else notice too that in the news today Same Story Today is supposedly the first time Bin Laden actually admitted to 9/11 The timing of that statement sure is coincidental to election day???

Evan · 2004-10-30, 05:42

Maybe bush and osama are cahoots?

CalamitiesEnd · 2004-10-30, 08:31

Maybe they are working together and Bin Laden is giving Bush a push before the elections in exchange for food?

Sanjuronord · 2004-10-30, 08:40

I think the whole thing is just playing off the popularity of the US election at the time to get more media coverage and help him recruit. Doubt he thinks he can influence the election substantially, but it's a sure bet that it'll help him and his "cause" if he makes a bigger icon of himself as standing up to the U.S. (seem to remember that being a big part of Saddam's popularity) It's amazing how the media/government immediately takes the stance that he's trying to influence our election rather than build up himself and Al Queda. (though Bush getting reelected would certainly help his recruitment abilities too)

??? · 2004-10-30, 08:53

WOW its now on TV ! Now i dont beleave anything on what CNN say... since pentagon attack was a lie.

So do religion:

"We will work to continue this battle, God permitting, until victory or until we meet God," bin Laden

Umbrae · 2004-10-31, 01:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by boneyjellyfish

"We believe that the defeat of America is possible, with the help of God, and is even easier for us -- God permitting -- than the defeat of the Soviet Union was before."

In Somalia, U.S. forces pulled out after 18 U.S. special operations personnel were killed during a raid against a warlord faction in the capital Mogadishu.

"Our brothers with Somali mujahedeen and God's power fought the Americans. God granted them victory. America exited dragging its tails in failure, defeat, and ruin," bin Laden said.

The claim came just a few weeks before the collapse of his Taliban supporters in Afghanistan and the dispersal of his hardcore al Qaeda loyalists.

Oh yes, we are easier than the russians. Humm lets see, during the gulf war saddom was using mostly russian equipment (since the US and russia did not have a direct conflict to test equipment)

Iraq had
Tanks: 4,230
Artillery: 2,140
APC's: 1,856
Helicopters: 7
Aircraft: 240

US had
Tanks: 3,360
Artillery: 3,633
APC's: 4,050
Helicopters: 1,959
Aircraft: 2,600

Iraq lost
Tanks: 4,000
Artillery: 2,140
APC's: 1,856
Helicopters: 7
Aircraft: 240

US lost
Tanks: 4
Artillery: 1
APC's: 9
Helicopters: 17
Aircraft: 44

Obvioulsy this shows how inferior US equipment is to russian. you know that shitty M1A2 that we use. longest known identification range on a tank, thermal imaging, night vision, laser targeting, stabilized turret allowing it to fire accuratly while still moving at 30+ MPH. Yep, were going down faster than any russians.

Somalia was not a military action. We were thier to distribute aid and supplies. which were reapeatly hijacked by warlords. When we go in to detain some so that food can be distributed in a country where most of the population is starving, we are mobed. litteraly some of our service men are torn apart by mobs of common people. It is not the fact that we lost 18, but the fact that the people we are spending our money and our time to assist started killing us.
We did not see it as worth our effort any more and left. Had at any time the service men thier been authized for military action prior to that, the outcome would have been much differnt.

I did not think ossama was that dumb. So far, as to my knowledge most of what he has done was quite well thought out. . . .

hooliganj · 2004-10-31, 01:46

For what it's worth, I don't think they plan on challenging our tanks, or aircraft, or anything else except grunts. The fighters of the American Revolution practically invented gorilla warfare as a method to allow a small and poorly armed but dedicated and cohesive force to devestate a large and well armed but poorly organized opponent. Over 200 years later, the US is the large, advanced army, and those same tactics have been kicking us in the ass ever since Vietnam. But generals wouldn't be generals if they learned from history, would they?

Umbrae · 2004-10-31, 03:10

I thought gorilla war was basicly the style of warefare the native americans used. Hit and run tactics, planned ambushes, ect. Basicly how to use a small under armed force effectivly aginst a large one.

the colonist just saw that it worked and used it aginst the troops sent from england that were not used to it. Along with a few other ideals they could pull off that natives were unaware off, but had not been practiced in "civilized" ware fare. Such as sniping officers (since they were often sold back as prisioners before).

If they can avoid an armor fight, they will. But I just used that as an example of how the US military differes from that which they are used to. Russia did use alot of tanks in thier afgan invasions. Many of the one that were destroyed are still there if you want to go look. . . That is a large part of the reason we gave the taliban artilery and RPG's (yes, we armed them, tank you regan).

kj1980 · 2004-10-31, 04:39

A Japanese hostage, Kouda Shousei, was beheaded by al-Zarqawi's militant group in Iraq today.

Majority of Japanese populace's response:

"What an idiot"
"He died for nothing"
"What a loser"
"It's his fault for going to Iraq"
"Sucks to be him"

LoveOfAnime · 2004-10-31, 05:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by kj1980

A Japanese hostage, Kouda Shousei, was beheaded by al-Zarqawi's militant group in Iraq today.

Majority of Japanese populace's response:

"What an idiot"
"He died for nothing"
"What a loser"
"It's his fault for going to Iraq"
"Sucks to be him"

OMG I am so sorry to hear that. I cannot believe that people are that unaffected by their own countryman's death. The US's response is probably similiar. Isn't that sad that in today's world not many people seem to care anymore.

lk1980, Did you happen to know him personally? If you did I am very sorry for your loss.

Green² · 2004-10-31, 08:35

We've got to start making use of tracking devices. At least to keep track of the movements of those that have been taken hostage. Then when they make their big tape debut, we can show up with a 120MM jammed right up the terrorist ass.

Green² · 2004-10-31, 10:21

Spoiler for bad rep:

Care to elaborate?

Spoiler:

I probably should've said "insurgents" that carry out the means of terror tactics,.. though whatever. But hey, at least you know that Saddam wasn't the mastermind of 9/11. That's good for you. And since it's Halloween, have a cookie.

2004-10-29, 16:46	Link #1
Green² It's bacon! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Up and to the Left Age: 43	It's the Islamic Boogy Man hour. Staring... http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=6663896 Guess he's still alive. Doh! Maybe he's for the NRA? ...if you've seen the translated video version...

2004-10-31, 10:21	Link #17
Green² It's bacon! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Up and to the Left Age: 43	Spoiler for bad rep: Care to elaborate? Spoiler: I probably should've said "insurgents" that carry out the means of terror tactics,.. though whatever. But hey, at least you know that Saddam wasn't the mastermind of 9/11. That's good for you. And since it's Halloween, have a cookie. Last edited by Green²; 2004-10-31 at 21:31.

2004-10-29, 16:51	Link #2
Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany	Didnt see it yet...but read something on another forum. Seems like he`s trying to take influence on the U.S. elections.

2004-10-29, 16:51	Link #3
HoboGod Necromancer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cardboard Box Age: 38	heh.... sounds like a scare tactic to make people vote bush.

2004-10-29, 17:00	Link #4
Green² It's bacon! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Up and to the Left Age: 43	October surprise. Only, I lost count on how many surprises there were today...

2004-10-29, 18:08	Link #5
boneyjellyfish Evangelist of the Kazoo Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: AnimeSuki Forums	Ahh... it seems like it was just yesterday bin Laden was blessing us with little gems like this: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/3...den.interview/ Bin Laden's sole post-September 11 TV interview aired Fugitive al Qaeda leader vows fight to the death February 5, 2002 WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Accused terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden said "the battle has moved to inside America" in the only television interview he's granted since the September 11 attacks -- now airing for the first time. The interview was conducted by the Arabic-language Al-Jazeera network in late October. Al-Jazeera decided not to televise it. CNN has obtained the videotape and began airing it Thursday night. "We will work to continue this battle, God permitting, until victory or until we meet God," bin Laden -- the world's most-wanted fugitive, whose current whereabouts are a mystery -- told the Kabul reporter for the Qatar-based network. "I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed," bin Laden said as the U.S. war on terrorism raged in Afghanistan. "The U.S. government will lead the American people in -- and the West in general -- into an unbearable hell and a choking life." When asked about U.S. accusations of his "collusion" in the attacks in New York and Washington, bin Laden responded, "America has made many accusations against us and many other Muslims around the world. Its charge that we are carrying out acts of terrorism is unwarranted." But he then added, "If inciting people to do that is terrorism, and if killing those who kill our sons is terrorism, then let history be witness that we are terrorists." On Friday, White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer reacted to the bin Laden interview. "Everybody knows how evil Osama bin Laden is," Fleischer told CNN. "Other tapes have shown him take credit for the attacks and show he had advanced knowledge of the attacks. This tape showed the importance of completing the mission and protecting freedom, a mission that is bigger than Osama bin Laden." Al-Jazeera conducted the exclusive interview with bin Laden on October 21, but declined to air it. Nearly two months later, the network said it did not meet its standards and was not newsworthy. CNN felt otherwise. "Once that videotape was in our possession, we felt we had to report on it, and show it because it is extremely newsworthy," said Eason Jordan, CNN's chief news executive. "And we really were dumbfounded as to why Al-Jazeera would decide not to air or even acknowledge the existence of the videotape." Thursday, Al-Jazeera said it was severing its relationship with CNN and taking "the necessary action to punish the organizations and individuals who stole this video and distributed it illegally." "Al-Jazeera does not feel it is obligated to explain its position and its reasoning of why it chose not to air the interview," it said in a statement. CNN issued a statement saying: "CNN did nothing illegal in obtaining this tape, and nothing illegal in airing it -- our affiliate agreement with Al-Jazeera gives us the express right to use any and all footage owned or controlled by Al-Jazeera, without limitation." Jordan said CNN has worked "very hard to establish and maintain and grow a very, very good relationship with Al-Jazeera, but this is a tough spot." He said the network "has some very tough questions to answer. Among them, why was the interview not ever televised, why did Al-Jazeera initially deny the existence of the tape, and what other tape does Al-Jazeera have, or did it have, that had never been acknowledged or televised. Clearly a lot of interesting material has fallen into Al-Jazeera's hands." Al-Jazeera has not disclosed where the hour-long interview was conducted. The reporter seemed to have a professional rapport with bin Laden and asked him if he was behind the anthrax attacks in the United States that began some weeks after the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes. Bin Laden did not offer a direct response but said, "These diseases are a punishment from God and a response to oppressed mothers' prayers in Lebanon and Palestine." Later, bin Laden said, "We kill the kings of the infidels, kings of the crusaders and civilian infidels in exchange for those of our children they kill. This is permissible in Islamic law and logically." The reporter then said, "So what you are saying is that this is a type of reciprocal treatment. They kill our innocents, so we kill their innocents?" Bin Laden's response: "So we kill their innocents, and I say it is permissible in Islamic law and logic." During the interview, which was taped in late October bin Laden ridiculed White House concerns that other on-camera statements he has issued since September 11 might carry hidden messages. "They made hilarious claims. They said that Osama's messages have codes in them to the terrorists. It's as if we were living in the time of mail by carrier pigeon, when there are no phones, no travelers, no Internet, no regular mail, no express mail and no electronic mail. I mean, these are very humorous things. They discount people's intellect," bin Laden said. Bin Laden cited the Soviet debacle in Afghanistan and the United States' failed 1993 mission in Somalia as examples to suggest a U.S. defeat in Afghanistan was within reach. "We believe that the defeat of America is possible, with the help of God, and is even easier for us -- God permitting -- than the defeat of the Soviet Union was before." In Somalia, U.S. forces pulled out after 18 U.S. special operations personnel were killed during a raid against a warlord faction in the capital Mogadishu. "Our brothers with Somali mujahedeen and God's power fought the Americans. God granted them victory. America exited dragging its tails in failure, defeat, and ruin," bin Laden said. The claim came just a few weeks before the collapse of his Taliban supporters in Afghanistan and the dispersal of his hardcore al Qaeda loyalists.

2004-10-30, 05:42	Link #7
Evan 天使我爱你 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: With My Hime Natsuki-sama	Maybe bush and osama are cahoots?

2004-10-30, 08:31	Link #8
CalamitiesEnd Member Join Date: Sep 2004	Maybe they are working together and Bin Laden is giving Bush a push before the elections in exchange for food?

2004-10-30, 08:40	Link #9
Sanjuronord セクシーなパイロット Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kentucky	I think the whole thing is just playing off the popularity of the US election at the time to get more media coverage and help him recruit. Doubt he thinks he can influence the election substantially, but it's a sure bet that it'll help him and his "cause" if he makes a bigger icon of himself as standing up to the U.S. (seem to remember that being a big part of Saddam's popularity) It's amazing how the media/government immediately takes the stance that he's trying to influence our election rather than build up himself and Al Queda. (though Bush getting reelected would certainly help his recruitment abilities too)

2004-10-30, 08:53	Link #10
??? Unknown Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Unknown Land Age: 21	WOW its now on TV ! Now i dont beleave anything on what CNN say... since pentagon attack was a lie. So do religion: "We will work to continue this battle, God permitting, until victory or until we meet God," bin Laden

2004-10-31, 01:46	Link #12
hooliganj Team Player Join Date: Apr 2004	For what it's worth, I don't think they plan on challenging our tanks, or aircraft, or anything else except grunts. The fighters of the American Revolution practically invented gorilla warfare as a method to allow a small and poorly armed but dedicated and cohesive force to devestate a large and well armed but poorly organized opponent. Over 200 years later, the US is the large, advanced army, and those same tactics have been kicking us in the ass ever since Vietnam. But generals wouldn't be generals if they learned from history, would they?

2004-10-31, 03:10	Link #13
Umbrae Generic Human Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: here	I thought gorilla war was basicly the style of warefare the native americans used. Hit and run tactics, planned ambushes, ect. Basicly how to use a small under armed force effectivly aginst a large one. the colonist just saw that it worked and used it aginst the troops sent from england that were not used to it. Along with a few other ideals they could pull off that natives were unaware off, but had not been practiced in "civilized" ware fare. Such as sniping officers (since they were often sold back as prisioners before). If they can avoid an armor fight, they will. But I just used that as an example of how the US military differes from that which they are used to. Russia did use alot of tanks in thier afgan invasions. Many of the one that were destroyed are still there if you want to go look. . . That is a large part of the reason we gave the taliban artilery and RPG's (yes, we armed them, tank you regan).

2004-10-31, 04:39	Link #14
kj1980 Gomen asobase desuwa! Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 43	A Japanese hostage, Kouda Shousei, was beheaded by al-Zarqawi's militant group in Iraq today. Majority of Japanese populace's response: "What an idiot" "He died for nothing" "What a loser" "It's his fault for going to Iraq" "Sucks to be him"

2004-10-31, 08:35	Link #16
Green² It's bacon! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Up and to the Left Age: 43	We've got to start making use of tracking devices. At least to keep track of the movements of those that have been taken hostage. Then when they make their big tape debut, we can show up with a 120MM jammed right up the terrorist ass.