Medaka Box [Manga]

[Tenchi Hou Take]

Originally Posted by Kurosu

Then answer me this. Let's say Munakata is a Minus, why did Kumagawa attack him when he did? Why hasn't Munakata changed classes? Why doesn't Munakata affect the people around him like a Minus does? Why does the fact that

Spoiler for spoilers:

the spoilers said Minus smile and you pointed out that Munakata hasn't smiled ever so thus he... isn't a Minus?

There's a reason you're confused about this:



It's rather simple, he's not a Minus. You didn't find a "plot hole" because that would be outright silly and too obvious.
The writing right there CONFIRMED that he isn't a Minus since Kumagawa just said that. What point is there to say such a thing to a Minus.

I know he isn't a true minus but considering him an abnormal seems laughable at best. For all intents and purposes outside of how he acquired the ability he's a "minus" by it's definition. He's so close it's almost instinguishable.

Really, I mean really there's no way in hell that ability can be considered a plus or a positive ability it's like saying constantly having to hold yourself back from destroying all your loved ones and erasing every single happy memory you have ever had is a good ability. I mean really? No one else has to deal with that crap how the hell does contantly having to prevent yourself from doing that crap count as an ability people would want to have.

There's a reason why Kumagawa a minus thought he was one. I just don't get why people assumed he was pretty much just a regular abnormal when he has all of one similarity with them.

[Kurosu]

Originally Posted by Tenchi Hou Take

I know he isn't a true minus but considering him an abnormal seems laughable at best.

Really, I mean really there's no way in hell that ability can be considered a plus or a positive ability it's like saying constantly having to hold yourself back from destroying all your loved and erase every single happy memory you have ever had is a good ability. I mean really? No one else has to deal with that crap how the hell does contsnatly having to prevent yourself from doing that crap count as an ability people would want to have.

You seem to forget how positive everyone elses abilities are. Like how Yukuhashi's ability to read everyone's minds has no limit... so he hears everyone's minds even when he doesn't want to, to the point where it haunts him... oh wait.

Or how Oudo's lack of control has led to himself being controlled by the ability.
As well as Takachiho who's never been touched because of his autopilot ability.

You see, the way abnormalities work is that they present themselves as abilities with inherent flaws.
Abilities that present themselves as positive have negative flaws. Abilities that present themselves as negative have positive flaws.
That's why it's abnormal.

Minus are completely negative.

[sungreentakeo]

Originally Posted by Kurosu

You seem to forget how positive everyone elses abilities are. Like how Yukuhashi's ability to read everyone's minds has no limit... so he hears everyone's minds even when he doesn't want to, to the point where it haunts him... oh wait.

Or how Oudo's lack of control has led to himself being controlled by the ability.
As well as Takachiho who's never been touched because of his autopilot ability.

You see, the way abnormalities work is that they present themselves as abilities with inherent flaws.
Abilities that present themselves as positive have negative flaws. Abilities that present themselves as negative have positive flaws.
That's why it's abnormal.

Minus are completely negative.

That's a very interesting analysis.

[[HearT]]

Originally Posted by Kurosu

You seem to forget how positive everyone elses abilities are. Like how Yukuhashi's ability to read everyone's minds has no limit... so he hears everyone's minds even when he doesn't want to, to the point where it haunts him... oh wait.

Or how Oudo's lack of control has led to himself being controlled by the ability.
As well as Takachiho who's never been touched because of his autopilot ability.

You see, the way abnormalities work is that they present themselves as abilities with inherent flaws.
Abilities that present themselves as positive have negative flaws. Abilities that present themselves as negative have positive flaws.
That's why it's abnormal.

Minus are completely negative.

Originally Posted by sungreentakeo

That's a very interesting analysis.

I agree! Do more awesome analysis' Sadsack XD you make insanely awesomely interesting points

[Tenchi Hou Take]

Originally Posted by Kurosu

You seem to forget how positive everyone elses abilities are. Like how Yukuhashi's ability to read everyone's minds has no limit... so he hears everyone's minds even when he doesn't want to, to the point where it haunts him... oh wait.

Or how Oudo's lack of control has led to himself being controlled by the ability.
As well as Takachiho who's never been touched because of his autopilot ability.

You see, the way abnormalities work is that they present themselves as abilities with inherent flaws.
Abilities that present themselves as positive have negative flaws. Abilities that present themselves as negative have positive flaws.
That's why it's abnormal.

Minus are completely negative.

You just countered your own arguement. Minus do have positive flaws All fictions heals, encounter can be used to protect your friends rotting minus can be used for plants etc. This was made abundantly clear in the Minus 13 arc. His ability works exactly like a minus. His ability is in actuality far more negative than all of theirs bar scar lady. Minus's can be used for good, the only good thing he can do is hold himself back which isn't exactly good at all, it's simply preventing yourself from doing harm to others.

[Kurosu]

Originally Posted by Tenchi Hou Take

You just countered your own arguement. Minus do have positive flaws All fictions heals. encounter can be used to protect your friends rotting minus can be used for plants etc. His ability works exactly like a minus.

No, the abilities are all negative, the abilities don't have a built in flaw that counters the negativity, it's always negative. It's how they decide to use them that can determine their positive use, but it doesn't change the fact that the ability itself is negative. You just said it, Encounter being used to protect your friend is a choice that HE can make. All Fiction can only be used as healing when HE chooses to make it so. Raffraffelesia can be used for plants when SHE decides to use it for that. These are just different ways of using negative abilities that can prove to be positive.

You can't CHOOSE to fix your abnormalities' inherent flaw. That's why they're all in a similar sort of psychological pain. If they could've, they would've chosen to fix their abnormalities as they see fit, but only Medaka is able to do so with her ability.

[Tenchi Hou Take]

Originally Posted by Kurosu

No, the abilities are all negative, the abilities don't have a built in flaw that counters the negativity, it's always negative. It's how they decide to use them that can determine their positive use, but it doesn't change the fact that the ability itself is negative. You just said it, Encounter being used to protect your friend is a choice that HE can make. All Fiction can only be used as healing when HE chooses to make it so. Raffraffelesia can be used for plants when SHE decides to use it for that. These are just different ways of using negative abilities that can prove to be positive.

You can't CHOOSE to fix your abnormalities' inherent flaw. That's why they're all in a similar sort of psychological pain. If they could've, they would've chosen to fix their abnormalities as they see fit, but only Medaka is able to do so with her ability.

He can't fix his abnormalities flaw he can only he can only hold himself back to a certain degree that's why he's chooses to be in solitude that's why he chooses to be alone and why he makes it harder for himself to kill people and frightens people away. It's no different than Munkae choosing not to touch things or Kumagawa choosing not to use all fiction. Hence why finshing it would make Medaka the perfect serial killer and finishing all fiction would make everything dissapear and finishing rotting minus would make everything rot etc. There is NO difference.

[Kurosu]

Originally Posted by Tenchi Hou Take

He can't fix his abnormalities flaw he can only he can only hold himself back to a certain degree that's why he's chooses to be in solitude taht's why he chooses to be alone. It's no different than Munkae choosing not to touch things or Kumagawa choosing not to use all fiction.

Now you're the one who's not making a convincing argument, you're comparing apples and oranges. We already admitted that Munakata has a negative ability, but it's not a Minus ability. Because he's not a Minus. You said he wasn't a true Minus.
So tell me, if he's not abnormal, and not a minus, what is he?

Originally Posted by Tenchi Hou Take

I know he isn't a true minus but considering him an abnormal seems laughable at best. For all intents and purposes outside of how he acquired the ability he's a "minus" by it's definition. He's so close it's almost instinguishable.

Right, he's close to a Minus, but HE ISN'T ONE. His personality alone is proof of this. As opposed to Naze. Actually, Naze is more of a Minus than Munakata ever was and ever will be.
I don't see what's so laughable about being called abnormal, he has more in common with abnormals than he does with minus. All the minus are weird off putting people, Munakata isn't.

[Tenchi Hou Take]

Originally Posted by Kurosu

Now you're the one who's not making a convincing argument, you're comparing apples and oranges. We already admitted that Munakata has a negative ability, but it's not a Minus ability. Because he's not a Minus. You said he wasn't a true Minus.
So tell me, if he's not abnormal, and not a minus, what is he?



Right, he's close to a Minus, but HE ISN'T ONE. His personality alone is proof of this. As opposed to Naze. Actually, Naze is more of a Minus than Munakata ever was and ever will be.
I don't see what's so laughable about being called abnormal, he has more in common with abnormals than he does with minus. All the minus are weird off putting people, Munakata isn't.

Now we're getting somewhere. I never said he was a true minus just that he was extremely similar to one my point was simply that he wasn't an abnormal (at least in the conventional sense) and is most probably something else hence why Kumagawa pointed out he wasn't a minus.

[Kurosu]

Originally Posted by Tenchi Hou Take

Now we're getting somewhere. I never said he was a true minus just that he was extremely similar to one my point was simply that he wasn't an abnormal and is most probably something else hence why Kumagawa pointed out he wasn't a minus.

We're not getting anywhere because you're implying that there's something other than minus, abnormal, not equal. That's just wild speculation because you don't want to accept the fact that he's abnormal. No one has ever mentioned or even implied that Munakata was anything special. He's just a regular old abnormal.

[Sephiroth1105]

With respect, both of you make very logical arguments, but please, shut up. Kurosu, personally I agree with you for the most part. Tenchi Hou Take, I very much understand where you're coming from. What I would remind you is, it is just a manga. A very good manga in my opinion but a manga none the less. If you don't like something in it, don't read it.

But then that's just my opinion. Feel free to keep fighting if you really want to.

Also, while I'm here, I'm on Zenkichi's side. Medaka's always been an egotistical, antisocial idiot in my book. I don't remember who but when this, or a forum like this was started, someone wrote "When your main character's god, you'd better have some really interesting side characters"
Enter Zenkichi!!

That's all

[Tenchi Hou Take]

Originally Posted by Kurosu

We're not getting anywhere because you're implying that there's something other than minus, abnormal, not equal. That's just wild speculation because you don't want to accept the fact that he's abnormal. No one has ever mentioned or even implied that Munakata was anything special. He's just a regular old abnormal.

Except he isn't like at all. There's not a single abnormal anything close to him, he's pretty much a minus apart from the origin of his abilities so he may be a not equal, or something else. Whats the point of Kumagwa going to the bother of distinguishing minus's from him if he was simply an abnormal. If he was just a regular abnormal Kumagawa wouldn't think he was a minus and the difference between an abnormal and a minus is the difference between night and day.

[Kurosu]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth1105

But then that's just my opinion. Feel free to keep fighting if you really want to.

I'm just trying to defend my point, and it's not like anyone else is adding to the conversation, and we're not really detracting from this thread which lately seems to consist of

- MEDAKA IS EVIL RAWR RAWR
- ZENKICHI IS AWESOME WOOT WOOT!
- SHUT UP PEOPLE WHO THINK ZENKICHI IS AWESOME BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL ILLOGICAL FANBOYS

What's another pointless conversation hurt?

Originally Posted by Tenchi Hou Take

Except he isn't like at all. There's not a single abnormal anything close to him, he's pretty much a minus apart from the origin of his abilities so he may be a not equal, or something else. Whats the point of Kumagwa going to the bother of distinguishing minus's from him if he was simply an abnormal. If he was just a regular abnormal Kumagawa wouldn't think he was a minus and the difference between an abnormal and a minus is the difference between night and day.

Sorry, I forgot the part where he implied anything like that. You're just assuming stuff from one panel from a spoiler with little context.
And anyway

"Whats the point of Kumagwa going to the bother of distinguishing minus's from him if he was simply an abnormal"

SIMPLE. He's an abnormal, what does being a special abnormal have anything to do with anything. Anyone who isn't a Minus wouldn't know how Minus think and act. That's why he said it.

[Tenchi Hou Take]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth1105

With respect, both of you make very logical arguments, but please, shut up. Kurosu, personally I agree with you for the most part. Tenchi Hou Take, I very much understand where you're coming from. What I would remind you is, it is just a manga. A very good manga in my opinion but a manga none the less. If you don't like something in it, don't read it.

But then that's just my opinion. Feel free to keep fighting if you really want to.

Also, while I'm here, I'm on Zenkichi's side. Medaka's always been an egotistical, antisocial idiot in my book. I don't remember who but when this, or a forum like this was started, someone wrote "When your main character's god, you'd better have some really interesting side characters"
Enter Zenkichi!!

That's all

lol a logical persons view of the crazy debeate. I personally just like debating even if it's about pure crap it's fun.

[MD84]

Originally Posted by Kurosu

Right, he's close to a Minus, but HE ISN'T ONE. His personality alone is proof of this. As opposed to Naze. Actually, Naze is more of a Minus than Munakata ever was and ever will be.
I don't see what's so laughable about being called abnormal, he has more in common with abnormals than he does with minus. All the minus are weird off putting people, Munakata isn't.

True. Munakata does have a powerful desire to kill, and a secondary power -- his hyperspace arsenal -- that makes him a perfect assassin, but he's otherwise a pretty normal guy. He even deliberately isolated himself with a fake criminal record to avoid killing people.

That means if he actually kills someone, it's not because of his abnormality -- it's because he truly wants that person dead.

[Sephiroth1105]

I didn't mean to insult, and you're right, this forum has been vaguely uniform recently. I only meant to point out that neither of you will be able to convince the other of anything.

When it really comes down to it, Nishio will probably throw in some new twist nobody saw coming, spice it up with some jump bashing and bring it on home with finally explaining what is so special about members of the shiranui family.

All in all I'm just in it for the ride so have fun.

[DawnEmperor]

Originally Posted by Kurosu

I'm just trying to defend my point, and it's not like anyone else is adding to the conversation, and we're not really detracting from this thread which lately seems to consist of

- MEDAKA IS EVIL RAWR RAWR
- ZENKICHI IS AWESOME WOOT WOOT!
- SHUT UP PEOPLE WHO THINK ZENKICHI IS AWESOME BECAUSE YOU'RE ALL ILLOGICAL FANBOYS

What's another pointless conversation hurt?



Sorry, I forgot the part where he implied anything like that. You're just assuming stuff from one panel from a spoiler with little context.
And anyway

"Whats the point of Kumagwa going to the bother of distinguishing minus's from him if he was simply an abnormal"

SIMPLE. He's an abnormal, what does being a special abnormal have anything to do with anything. Anyone who isn't a Minus wouldn't know how Minus think and act. That's why he said it.

Lol, I agree. Generally the whole Minus thing didn't make much sense. So it's just "evil" abnormals? Is it the opposite of an abnormal? And then there's the whole "personality makes the abnormal". From what I recall, Munakata had the potential to be a minus, but his personality makes himself an abnormal. Perhaps there's a distinction with having an abnormality/minus ability, and actually being one or the other.

Just a random thought, but who thinks Shiranui should have been a token normal along with Zenkichi? Or at least, not have her classification revealed so early. I think she's perhaps the most unfathomable character and someone who has a pretty consistent animosity towards Medaka.[/QUOTE]

[MD84]

Originally Posted by DawnEmperor

Lol, I agree. Generally the whole Minus thing didn't make much sense. So it's just "evil" abnormals? Is it the opposite of an abnormal? And then there's the whole "personality makes the abnormal". From what I recall, Munakata had the potential to be a minus, but his personality makes himself an abnormal. Perhaps there's a distinction with having an abnormality/minus ability, and actually being one or the other.

Just a random thought, but who thinks Shiranui should have been a token normal along with Zenkichi? Or at least, not have her classification revealed so early. I think she's perhaps the most unfathomable character and someone who has a pretty consistent animosity towards Medaka.

Well, the way the characters describe it, being a "Plus" means being somehow fundamentally stronger than Normal people, while being a "Minus" means being somehow fundamentally weaker. The Minuses always describe themselves as being the weakest people in the world, despite their ability to kick ass. "Not-Equals" are on an entirely different level that can't be described with words like "strong" and "weak".

I do agree that Shiranui is confusing -- the only things that are certain about her character are her fondness towards Zenkichi and her hatred towards Medaka.

[Soji]

Originally Posted by MD84

I do agree that Shiranui is confusing -- the only things that are certain about her character are her fondness towards Zenkichi and her hatred towards Medaka.

Speaking of this why she hate Medaka ...but we don't know why she like Zen so much( I mean...ok she said something about this during the minus arc,but that is it).
We don't know how Zen and Shiranui become friends , I wonder if this arc will answer about this.

[Tenchi Hou Take]

I don't think it's all that complicated way she's friends with Zen. He's basically the only person that accepts her, for who she is without attempting to influence or change her in any manner. But most importantly he's probably the only person in the world who would accept anything she does and still be friends with her(since she has absolutely zero qualms about screwing her friends over). Medaka's the exact opposite as she would attempt to influence her and she most probably wouldn't react the same way as zen if she betrayed her.