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2006-01-30, 19:58 | Link #422 | |
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2006-01-30, 20:12 | Link #423 | |
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This is why perverts are an endangered species, kids!!!
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2006-01-30, 21:23 | Link #426 | |
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2006-01-30, 21:58 | Link #427 | |
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Now, I don't know about anyone else, but if I were in Hazumu's situation and my parents said that to me, I'd be feeling a major hit to my ego. A sort of "so what was wrong with me being a boy?" Incidentally, I agree that I don't think this series should be concentrating on the comedy, since so much of it is overdone and unfunny. There really is a great opportunity to explore gender roles and relationships in society here, and it feels like such a pity that the show doesn't take advantage of that. Still, it's early in the series. Maybe it'll get better later. |
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2006-01-30, 22:44 | Link #428 | |
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- his Dad wants to take a bath with him now. - his Mom tells him that they always wanted a girl. - his best "male" friend is starting to "ogle" him. - a girl that rejected him "seems" to have the hots for him. And a few other manga spoilers I won't list, but it seems almost everyone likes him better as a girl. I think there’s a trend here. Last edited by Catgirls; 2006-01-30 at 23:04. Reason: Open the pod bay doors, HAL. |
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2006-01-30, 23:11 | Link #429 |
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Good comments dkellis, although maybe the Japanese find this sort of thing more funny? Who knows. I think part of the thing with the parents is that they fuss over Hazumu so much that they only care about the fact that Hazumu is unharmed (physically at least) and isn't overtly suffering about the situation. As Ayuki says: Hazumu doesn't seem to care that much about Boys vs Girls. Also the parents are intentionally over the top caricatures of overprotective parents.
I'm sure there are quite a few people in this world that would be able to function just fine given either role suddenly. But yes most societal norms like to enforce a large chasm between the genders like they are polar opposites. So whether by nature, society, or nurture, we have gender roles the way they are now. I find it quite interesting the wide range of views on this topic that have been expressed so far. You have the extremely "male-sided" viewpoints of how horrible that would be, and why isn't Hazumu visibly suffering greatly etc. Then on the other end people pointing out Hazumu was rather gender-neutral to begin with etc. I will say personally that you see some hints in ep2 that Hazumu is dealing with/rationalizing the change internally, but doesn't outwardly voice it really to others. Hazumu also seems to have this disconnect that while she doesn't really fret over boys vs girls much as Ayuki said, she still buys heavily into society telling her HOW Boys and Girls should act. So now that shes a girl shes like "Well I'm a girl now, so I have to start doing everything exactly like how a "girl" acts .... even though if you look at Ayuki, Tomari (especially lol), Yasuna, etc. there is a wide variety in personalities. Asuta even comments on how "manly" Tomari acts. Although Hazumu does bring up the good point as well that even though her appearance has changed, she is still Hazumu on the inside ... so theres hope she will think about that more after awhile and not get carried away in all the "must be 100% "girl" " stuff. |
2006-01-30, 23:19 | Link #430 | |
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#1 Hazumu's dad is just a closet pedo it seems. Nothing to see here, move along. #2 His mom and both parents in general were over-protective to the extreme even BEFORE the change from the looks of it. So I think the mom would be happy no matter what Hazumu looked like as long as Hazumu was happy. #3 Asuta fits into the "stereotypical teenage boy" typeset, so I think he knows its wrong but it doesn't stop him from the initial reaction. A comedic character in a constant war with his hormones for our viewing enjoyment as it were. Hazumu is very cute as a girl after all, and without any knowledge of Hazumu before that would be a very normal reaction. Wait for the beach ep #4 You have read the manga as well so I'll just say that that statement is rather misleading about Yasuna. The reasons for Yasuna's actions are made clear early on in the manga, and it has nothing to do with liking Hazumu better as a girl. |
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2006-01-30, 23:29 | Link #431 |
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#1 Hazumu's dad is just a closet pedo it seems. Nothing to see here, move along.
Ridiculous. There are no indications he's a closet pedo. In the anime or in the manga. I respectfully disagree. The show doesn’t have enough depth for the father to be closet pedo...just a perv. #2 His mom and both parents in general were over-protective to the extreme even BEFORE the change from the looks of it. So I think the mom would be happy no matter what Hazumu looked like as long as Hazumu was happy. His mom stated that they always wanted a girl. I'm sure she wants him to be happy, but the fact remains that she told him that "they" always wanted a girl. That’s all I stated. I didn’t read into the statement. I’m sure later on she’ll tell him what you’ve written above. #3 Asuta fits into the "stereotypical teenage boy" typeset, so I think he knows its wrong but it doesn't stop him from the initial reaction. A comedic character in a constant war with his hormones for our viewing enjoyment as it were. Hazumu is very cute as a girl after all, and without any knowledge of Hazumu before that would be a very normal reaction. Wait for the beach ep Yes...we agree. That's pretty much what I said. He's beginning to ogle him. I didn't say it wasn't typical, I noted that his best friend was beginning to take an interesting in him. #4 You have read the manga as well so I'll just say that that statement is rather misleading about Yasuna. The reasons for Yasuna's actions are made clear early on in the manga, and it has nothing to do with liking Hazumu better as a girl. True, but neither Hazumu nor the anime audience really know the full detail of her "disease". As of episode 2 of the anime, Hazumu isn't at all the aware of Yasuna "disease", so I was stating it as it is up to now in the anime. Not the manga. Cheers. |
2006-01-31, 01:12 | Link #432 |
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From the posts of view point regarding the anime itself, it seems like Kashimashi isn't appealing to a good portion of anime viewers.
I dont know, but if the show really is so un-appealing to you who dislike it, why is there so much effort put forth to "improve" the series to your taste? The comedic side may be whacky, but it DOES appeal to quite a substantial amount of people for it to be hyped as such, so whats the problem here, really? |
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Besides, if I didn't like the show in some capacity, I wouldn't waste my time watching it. Especially since I normally have no interest in yuri-themed series. |
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2006-01-31, 01:56 | Link #434 | |
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Mindless praising? I thought that only occurs in shows like Naruto... And regarding the part that you think the anime isn't doing well: Erm, I would understand if they dont play out the events smoothly or saying that it is too un-natural for certain things which occured in the anime which is completely off, but whats the real issue regarding the comedic parts? If a certain number of people are not put-off by it, I dont see a point in bringing it up when it totally relates to personal preference. |
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Ok, lets start all over again.
I want to know: what exactly is bad about the comedic parts? Too much exaggeration? And, just because the show is somewhat dealing with some drama between Hazumu and the girls does not mean that it is restricted to doing that alone. If the comedic parts that they used to tell the story in their own perspective do not appeal to you, thats that. Saying that they should not even have any comedic parts in the anime(or so I can perceive from your post) just because they do not appeal to you, is somewhat crossing the line between opinion and mindless demand(sterotyping of shows). Of course you are not the only one, at least 4 to 5 of the posters agree with you, but I really dont see why comedic effects shouldn't exist in Kashimashi. |
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1. It relies too much on stereotyping supporting characters, making them uninteresting and, at worst, VERY annoying. Whenever Asuta shows up in the manga, I flip to the next page because I don't want to see yet another "LOLOLOLOLOL My best friend has boobs and I totally wanna mack on her now, so let me go into a horribly generic shounen fantasy sequence!111!" 2. The jokes aren't funny the first time, yet the author keeps on repeating them over and over. As I said in the first point, I actually begin to skip pages when certain characters show up because they're so incredibly irritating and I know they will have absolutely NO impact on the plot. 3. It is not particularly original, and other series have done it much better and funnier, so why even bother? Why not stick to what makes the show interesting instead of feeling like it has to be a comedy? 4. It doesn't really even fit with the core of the series. Does this series want to be a gentle love triangle between three girls and an amusing exploration of gender issues, or a ka-razy gender-bender comedy filled with ka-razy characters and ka-razy situations? I'll take the former, please. Quote:
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2006-01-31, 05:52 | Link #439 |
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the comidy part is used to polarizing the drama to get it to stand out more clearly ... yes ... it is slight steriotypic, but that is the point as well to use it as said before to polarize the rather uncommon plot
and no ... Asuta aren't the way that you says ... he is just that unlucky that he can't control his feelings towards a moé girl (who can btw?) ... and thats even though he trieds repeatably to cold himself down by almost chanting "she was a male and my best friend, she was a male and my best friend" (the scene on the roof where he starts banging his head repeatly into the fence) |
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