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View Poll Results: Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 17 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 74 | 69.16% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 20 | 18.69% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 7.48% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 1.87% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.93% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 1.87% | |
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2007-07-23, 11:30 | Link #301 |
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The following is just theory after reading all the posts here and some thoughts that came to me after watching Ep.17.
Regarding Type-0 Subaru and Ginga, would the following be true then? Spoiler:
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2007-07-23, 11:30 | Link #302 | |||
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What I find amusing is that right after that you say: So they're not mindless, berserking droids, but they can't tell the difference between a possible enemy and a harmless little child. To me, that means that they are mindless, berserking droids, and to me, that means that Scagliety is not trying to minimize casualties. Quote:
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2007-07-23, 11:31 | Link #303 | |||
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I am beginning to understand, Chaos, that you are one of those who holds an absolute value on human life. If a human live is saved, it is worth holding back an entire society's potential progress. That might make you a nice human, but not a very good government leader. You might note that he managed to do in the RF6 HQ without a single confirmed kill. He could just have arranged #10 to go in there and Heavy Barrel everything (since she wasn't doing much after her first shoot) - since Vivio is supposed to be able to survive such things, they can just pick her up after everything is flattened. There isn't a single person left in RF6 HQ that could stand up to heavy barrel. Instead, he sends two of only 12 people (looks like 2 of the more decent combat units at that) and many many drones to do a sweep. Take the viewpoint of Scarlietti for a second (assume he isn't just a madman). His invention is to change the world for the better. A bunch of retard conservatives are standing in his way and indoctrinating everyone. Given that the comparison is between the benefit of entire worlds and the deaths of a few people, it is entirely possible, if you are an utilitarian, to do a valid computation that will suggest frying the few people if it comes down to it. Quote:
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I also can't remember any incidents where they attacked little 5-year old children, so maybe they do have a detection system. The one time they supposedly attacked civilians is in the StrikerS comic. Even then, nobody really knows what happened. All they heard was that they were "attacked"? How? Did the drones just approach? Did they fire into the rocks right next to their feet? Did they shoot them in the heart? For the matter, did the humans try to attack the drones on the approach and the drones turned on AMFs and started fighting back? Any of these would be termed "attacked" by an excitable human, but the implications are clearly very different. What we are sure of is that the archaeologists were quite fine when our heroines came to them. Last edited by arkhangelsk; 2007-07-23 at 11:43. Reason: Extension. |
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2007-07-23, 11:35 | Link #304 | |
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Fate clearly wasn't made with the intention of inheriting Precia's magical talent which Alicia has none of it.
Elio clearly wasn't made to be a mage-weapon, but rather as a pair of couple's way to ease the pain of the actual Elio's death. Both were born from trying to ease the pain of someone important dying, not to be living weapons. Sadly, Fate was too different from Alicia, while Elio got jacked away by some ugly evil scientist until Fate came to the rescue. Quote:
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2007-07-23, 11:43 | Link #305 | ||||
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2007-07-23, 11:51 | Link #306 |
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To the people arguing that Scaglietti may have good intentions, don't you people get it? The attack was an advertisment! Do you for a second think he doesn't know his customers won't use his wares as bloodlessly as he did?
On other matters: If Scags intends to carry out the next line of the prophecy, it gives a glipmse into this part of his plan. The successful destruction of the TSAB fleet and Main HQ would leave all TSAB worlds adminstered worlds defenceless. The local governments would turn to someone, anyone to supply a new defense force. Someone like him. A few years of experience with non-magical weapons, perhaps he can convince people to repeal the restrictions on the development of non-magical technologies. Of course, this supposes that those governments would forgive him for destroying their defenses in the first place... An alternative would be to sell his wares to would-be world conquerors and rebel groups in the wake of the destruction he causes. After they take over their worlds, he can make all kinds of deals that can further his research, ethics be damned. Those people would have less reservations about using non-magical technology also. It would lead to the same result, worlds where non-magical technology are tolerated and can develop. Does he care that worlds that come about like this are unstable and seldom last long? Somehow I don't think so. Where does Vivio and the Relics fit into all this? I don't know, but the Numbers call her a "vessel" and they are looking for the "King". It seem to me that Scag's plan here is to put the "King" into the "vessel". I doubt Vivio as she is would continue to exist that happens. |
2007-07-23, 11:58 | Link #307 | ||
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I'm sorry to break it to you, Chaos, but there are often times when a people's indoctrinated repulsion to a field of research makes it unwise to mention it. Nuclear power, for example, is treated with near phobia. The more so with various forms of cloning. Despite the good possibilities of these techs, the phobia makes it hard to continue to research them, especially the latter. Many of the objections are based more on the Gut than the Brain. Thus, it may be wise to be a bit quiet about things. Quote:
Subjectively they won't. Objectively, however, they know that if Scarlietti wanted to, most of them will be DEAD. This will give them something to think about. Their lives. Well, most of their lives actually weren't in a whole lot of danger. |
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2007-07-23, 12:03 | Link #309 | |
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Well, I don't think Scaglietti has good intentions, but from a different standpoint which disregards ethics, he does have some point. Whether or not that point will be valid depends on how far the producers want to screw with Jail, and to be honest, they're not even trying to make him remotely likable, as opposed to his Numbers.
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Now note that in the first page, there is no sign of our heroes whatsoever. The drones are advancing on the archeologists and the archeologists alone. In the next page, Nanoha blocks the beams which were heading for the archeologists. Note: The archeologists. This means that the archeologists were being targeted and shot at by the drones. Quote:
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Fate once mentioned that conventional weapons are weapons that put the ability to destroy in the hands of children. This is an UTTERLY laughable statement coming from her. In the real world, conventional weapons are protected by more and more safeguards as they climb in power. Nuclear weapons are protected by Permissive Action Links so only 1-3 people can authorize their use, and the chances of a child actually being able to fire the weapon approaches zero. In contrast, at 8, she was a walking Weapons Platform. Obviously, Terran History wasn't Fate's strong subject while she was studying in Seisho. Just to note. RF6 was given 5 full minutes to retreat before the bombing starts. It was stated. That's actually pretty generous. Especially if you try taking the viewpoint that we are talking two enemy armies (even if I assume one of the armies is from a Rogue State), not a "Police Force" vs a "Criminal". Looking from that viewpoint, making any effort not to kill civilians already puts Scarlietti above Bomber Harris or Curtis LeMay (and we don't consider them evil). Efforts to not kill enemy soldiers even before they had surrendered makes him almost a SAINT. Last edited by arkhangelsk; 2007-07-23 at 12:12. Reason: Extension |
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It's really something that one announcement suddenly makes him a justified and misunderstood person. Seems plenty want to believe the crazy laugh guy is just someone with an agenda for the benefit of humanity. Rather not get too much into this since it's a rather large headache to get through. Whatever he's really planning is going to be a pain for a lot of people. Though I'm sure Ginga and Vivio will be quite comforted knowing whatever the Doctor has planned is for a great cause. Anyways I'm moving into more fun discussions since this will just go back and forth among the pro-do whatever the heck you want vs don't annihilate the society because you don't like things. So am curious how especially the Subaru situation is going to be handled. It's possible she may have known about her background. Since it now makes sense why her and Ginga were being examined not by a doctor. Just how widely is this information known I'm wondering. Either way it'll be quite the shock to many when this gets out. Heck they could package it with the Erio Project F discussion to make things smoother haha .
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The only one we know is Jail, and he's not likely to choose to be his own victim. |
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