2012-12-18, 03:29 | Link #681 | ||
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People shoot for pleasure at paper targets, they also shoot in competition for sport. Meaning two or more shooters competing to hit more targets faster. Just a misunderstanding perhaps? I would imagine many hunters do both. They hunt because they prefer game meats and they also do it for pleasure. On that we can agree I think.
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2012-12-18, 03:36 | Link #682 | |
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Wow. I posted a few hours ago, that I'd quit until the NEXT INCIDENT. But damn, this is a lot quicker than expected:
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Congratulations Gun People. I will do a complete 180-degrees. Make gun use MANDATORY at every single public place -- movie theater, school, hospital, shopping mall, church, etc. No IFs, ANDs, or BUTs. Guns save lives, because gun users can prevent would be killers from committing massacres. See you guys until the next one.
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2012-12-18, 03:42 | Link #683 | |||
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I don't know. I suppose I cannot attempt to fully understand such a place without having visited it. ------ Of course I have veered a bit off my main point for talking here is that I just simply don't like the false equivalency of guns with other things in a society. Whether or not a very small percentage of the US actually uses hunting as a major method of subsistence for their families is not really going to change that IMO. Personally I believe the 2nd amendment has run its course in our society and at the very least needs a ton of regulation. Things like yearly psyche evaluations for owners, better paper trails, ,and hell even mandatory tests/learning classes for citizens wishing to purchase guns would go a long way to helping this cause. If the US at least had these things, it would be at least a manageable compromise in my eyes.
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2012-12-18, 03:45 | Link #684 | ||
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Case in point, Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world, and has extremely strict gun control. Do you think having more guns available in Japan would cause an increase in suicide rate, or would suicide-by-gun simply take the place of other methods? Quote:
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2012-12-18, 03:50 | Link #685 | |
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EDIT: Also what you said about suicides is also applicable to homicides since people can still kill each other with or without guns, but guns simply make it easier.
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2012-12-18, 04:03 | Link #686 | ||
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2012-12-18, 04:07 | Link #687 | ||
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2012-12-18, 04:17 | Link #688 | ||
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Surviving attempted suicide is more of a matter of luck, in most cases involving someone who quickly discovers the attempt (this includes suicides by guns, some people just can't aim very well...). In most cases the lethality of the methods aren't really meaningfully different (jumping off a high rise, or in front of train, or drive off a cliff....or into a tree at 120mph etc.) Quote:
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2012-12-18, 05:24 | Link #689 | ||
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2012-12-18, 08:06 | Link #691 | |
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BTW, what is your position on a obligation to use safety lock on gun ? Could thoses reduce the risk of someone using the gun of someone else, like it happened with so much school shooting ?
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2012-12-18, 08:18 | Link #692 | |||
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There is such a thing as purpose in design. The fact that a car or a vending machine send people to their death does not mean they're designed with that purpose in mind. I can use my computer to bludgeon someone to death but everyone knows that computers aren't designed to be used like that. Your sports fencing tool is not designed to be used in warfare. Likewise, you don't bring a kitchen knife to a warzone or use a combat knife to cut your cabbage. Guns are inherently designed to deal out (possibly lethal) damage, and dealing death is also within the intended purpose. Again, that does not mean that it is "evil", but it is what it is. Comparing guns with cars or computers or a freaking vending machine (sorry, I have to stress this out because that's how silly I think of this) that can deal death outside their intended purpose just isn't fair.
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2012-12-18, 08:49 | Link #695 |
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I've been following the thread for a while and one factor I've either missed or hasn't been brought up is that of storage. I know it differs from state to state but I honestly don't know so I'm asking; Does the US have any restrictions/laws for storing weapons at home?
Here in Sweden, if my information is correct, your first 3-4 weapons requires some kind of safe, lockable storage. Beyond that, you need to have a special weapons locker of some kind, though motivating why you need more than 4 weapons becomes harder. Not having either results in law enforcement visits or worse. --- As for the rest of the thread, I align myself with both sides to some extent. As a Swede, guns are not an everyday thing and while I have fired hunting shotguns, and parts of my family are hunters, they still make me nervous if it's anywhere else but on a shooting range or in a forest. Carrying them in public is illegal anyhow. However, I don't support an outright ban, though I do support restriction and more thorough background checks, along with improvements in mental health solutions etc. It's quite an extreme culture clash tbh when it comes to guns.
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2012-12-18, 08:51 | Link #696 | ||
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It is the user, not the tool that is at fault. Even the inventor of the AK-47 had stated that he intended for his gun to "protect the motherland", not for it to be copied and put in the hands of terrorists or robbers in North Hollywood.
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2012-12-18, 08:58 | Link #697 | |
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2012-12-18, 09:06 | Link #698 | |
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The creator for AK states that they are to protect the motherland...by dealing out damage or kill any invaders coming at his country. No matter how you try to sugarcoat it, firearms are still ultimately tools of destruction (again, I'm stressing that's not necessarily "evil").
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2012-12-18, 09:08 | Link #699 | ||
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2012-12-18, 10:01 | Link #700 | |
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There are people out there who enjoy putting rounds into anything - wood, concrete, old cars, steel sheets just for the fun of hearing the "pling" or to test their natural instincts of physical estimation. And there are some people who enjoy putting rounds into living food sources other than human beings - it is their idea of challenge to stalk-and-hunt. Despite their motives can be labelled as "homicidal" by "unreasonable" people (I remember telling a army clerk who tried to talk troopers out of holding guns using this concept, "If I could eat you, I wouldn't have hesitated to kill and cook you, gun or no gun."), as long as they don't hunt something they won't eat, it is still fine. The people who are out of their minds are those who simply kill randomly, or to target those who are unable to defend themselves, are the ones that shouldn't be holding any weapons at all until they are back in their reasonable state of mind. And that is the motive - to put them back in that, not permanently in a straitjacket or a locked room.
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