2012-11-29, 12:17 | Link #1842 |
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I personally believe the PzIV will eventually be transferred to someone else and Miho would be handling the Tiger.
She has to, its the final showdown tank, if we are going by conventional route. If I go by my own preference, she'd be in that Tiger P, join Maho later to beat Pravda and deal with her own demons. But thats just fantasy at this point... - Tak
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Isn't it just as conventional for the main character to have a sibling as the main goal? Anyways, it would have been unlikely for a German-inspired force to beat a Soviet-inspired one.
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Its too predictable for Miho just level-up, face Maho and defeat her, which is what this story seemed to be headed. Not that I mind, but I rather the both of them return to better days. Quote:
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2012-11-29, 13:52 | Link #1846 |
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It's the last one they found in the latest episode. The one hidden deep inside the ship, in the dark. And yes, the Tiger is more powerful and more durable than the Panzer IV. But not so much that I think it's necessary for our heroines to abandon the Panzer IV, especially now that it's got a gun upgrade. That's their tank. It's where they belong.
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I get the feeling that the reason Miho dropped out of Panzercraft is because she felt that she let her team down, and not as a result of anyone pressuring her to do so. Or at least not anyone in her family. In any case, it'll come down to victory by employing superior tactics, not to whomever has the better gear. Quote:
On paper, a Porsche Tiger is a lot better than a Pz. IV. It has better armor and a better gun, but it's slower and far more prone to breaking down. With an upgraded gun, the Pz. Iv is a potent threat to most tanks though. Of the tanks fielded by their future opponents, it'll only have problems with Black Forest's Tiger I and lots of problems with Pravda's IS-2.
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Besides, if manga authors pretend that didn't happen, we wouldn't have Black Forest's Germany losing to Pravda's Soviet Union in the first place. Quote:
The IV would have difficulty dealing with any variant of the Tiger as it is now. Even with an upgrade to the 75mm, it'd still have a lot of trouble penetrating the Tiger's armor, if at all. - Tak
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm under the impression that Germans are portrayed as being more industrious and efficient and clever while the Soviets use more brutish and overwhelm by using superior numbers and more materiel. Whereas the reality is that Germany lost because the Soviets were better at almost every element of warfare: from strategy and manufacturing on down. Generalship is an especially telling factor - the Wehrmacht never had anyone who could match Vasilevsky or Rokossovsky. Quote:
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2012-11-29, 17:36 | Link #1852 |
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Darjeeling looks great in Oarai uniform...
Can a Tiger be effective with only a 3-person crew? It seems that the Aardvark Team consist only of 3 girls... will they get the Tiger?
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2012-11-29, 19:34 | Link #1855 | |
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With the mechanics driving the Tiger then the issue of breakdown is solved... a self-sustaining Tiger on the battlefield... not to mention field maintenance... there was no mention of field repair against the rules, right? as long as a tank is not deemed inoperable then it can be salvaged... of course only three mechanics can go out for repairs... they can't have their own tank deemed abandoned if all of them go out at the same time...
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That, and the Japanese Army just don't get much positive press in Japan. Period. Quote:
The Soviets being brutish & overwhelming numbers had truth to it. After all, the Soviets did in fact, significantly outnumber the Germans in many battles. Moreover, Zhukov was famous for having kept officers known to sacrifice large numbers of men in combat operations. It proved to him they were efficient. While I am not going to excuse Germans from their war crimes, the Soviets were hardly saints. There were stories where the Red Army forced recently liberated Russian villages, mustering women & children to walk across German minefields and face machineguns just so it could make things easier for the Red Army. Efficient? Perhaps, but its brutally efficient. Quote:
And what prompted Hitler to believe he could succeed in invading the Soviet Union? The Winter War, where the performance of Soviet generalship pretty much opened Hitler's eyes... Quote:
And now they've found the Tiger... - Tak
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2012-11-29, 20:02 | Link #1857 | |
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His military rank was "Gefreiten(Private First Class)" in WW1 and his position was "Meldegänger(messenger)", so he never was a match for 2 very good generals from russia. Sowiet union hat superior number and more material, its no big deal to winn with all atwantages on one side. |
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2012-11-29, 21:08 | Link #1858 |
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We are in WW2 talk again. couple of points I want to make
(1) Soviet victory in Manchuria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lake_Khasan) The Japanese military, while taking the lesson seriously, was willing to engage with the Soviets once more, with disastrous results, in the more extensive Battle of Khalkhin Gol (Nomonhan) in the Soviet-Japanese Border War of 1939. The result of this engagement was the total defeat of the Japanese Sixth Army by the Soviets. (2) Germany vs Soviet Union It is doubtful Germany was ever capable of prolonged total warfare against Soviet Union. Furthermore, Germany would have been much better off concentrating their resources in the Western Front. For Germany to be in good enough state to beat USSR in lengthy engagement, they would need to secure cessation of hostilities in Western Front, thus become free to devote even more military resource in the East, AND rebuild industry and infrastructure in all the territory under their control, so they would have ample supplies in reserve. There are so many things Germany needed to do to properly fight in Russia for long enough time to subdue it, that even 10 years of extracting everything possible from most of the continental Europe, which were mostly in their control, may not have been enough. Thus I think starting offensive against USSR even earlier wouldn't likely have changed the outcome. While the intent is in dispute, you also need to consider that Germany had good reasons to be alarmed by continued buildup and forward deployment of Soviet Union Army. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_...ns_controversy The Soviet offensive plans controversy refers to the debate among historians on the question of whether Soviet premier Joseph Stalin was planning to invade Germany prior to Operation Barbarossa. (3) About Hitler : Most military expert agree that Germany would have been defeated even if Hitler let more capable generals and ministers do their work. An interesting point that was made by some historians is that Hitler's order to stand the group likely have prevented total rout from happening in 1942 as it slowed Soviet advances in some parts of the Eastern Front. It may be more accurate to blame Germany of starting a war impossible to win against USSR, than blaming Hitler's foolish meddling for the defeat.
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Hitler certainly didn't. In his Mein Kampf, the terms Bolsheviks, Slavs, Jews & Russians were often used interchangeably. Quote:
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Even Russian historians agree that, if Germany had marched all the way to Moscow, conquered the city, even if total victory could not be achieved, a negotiated peace in Germany's favor was a distinct possibility. After learning the speed of Germany's advancement, Stalin too, contemplated the idea of a negotiated peace. Thus I have to disagree w/the notion that Germany had no possibility of achieving victory purely due to its economic shortcomings. Quote:
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