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Where is your basis for saying that Kira would share once it's peacetime? Quote:
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But they knew they couldn't stop ZAFT from attacking if they confirmed Djibril's presence in Orb, so they tried to lie. Quote:
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2013-02-10, 07:41 | Link #5882 | |
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2013-02-10, 08:50 | Link #5884 | |
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Also Haak, In seed after EA found out that ZAFT was using nuclear technology in war thanks Flay( and Raul ): 1- EA nuke PLANTs 2- ZAFT fire GENESIS at their fleet 3- ZAFT fire it again at moon base 4- EA use Nuke again at them 5- EA still trying to nuke PLANTs like they don't really care if GENESIS will be fire for third time.... 6- Patrick Zala try to use it for third time before get killed by one of his officers since his target this time will kill half of life on Earth... After Second shot if not first they really should change their target from PLANTs to GENESIS.... Edit: it's funny how Blue cosmos use that as excuse to launch another nuclear technology attack while other EA leaders use that technology to help Earth power resource problem since after ZAFT attack most of earth resource been destroyed... (Since in SEED most if not all countries use nuclear technology as energy resource but they no longer can use it thanks to N-Jammer which lead to mass starvation and energy crisis which lead to more "slow" death than Bloody Valentine Incident .) Last edited by Gundamx; 2013-02-10 at 09:01. |
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2013-02-10, 09:06 | Link #5885 | |||
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in Destiny he had the entire orphanage led by Marco(if that's the priests name), Kira's family, and not to mention the AA's crew and his friends, including Lacus Quote:
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You seem to be mistaking Orb's ideals with Uzumi's ideals Uzumi in power = The Orb we saw in Seed Seiran in power = The Orb we saw in Destiny The family in power seems to call the shots, in Seed it was the Attha's, in Destiny it's the Seirans. the Seiran's choose to ally with the EA. that's it. Of course it's a 180 from Seed when the Attha's had the power. I know how stupid it is, but that's what the show told us, and that's all we have to go on, trying to argue if it is out of character or not is irrelevant, since the Orb we saw in Seed isnt following the same ideals as the Orb we saw in Destiny. |
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The fact of the matter is, we still never saw Orb using nuclear weapons. Even Akatsuki is not nuclear powered. So, no, you have no basis at all to say that Kira/Lacus would share the NJC technology. Quote:
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And without leaders like Uzumi, it's no wonder why they would try a different solution. Quote:
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And you know why? Because this time ZAFT had proof of Orb's lie and Orb is no longer facing just 1 ship. When all is said and done, Orb once again found out that they had nothing substantial to deter an attack. |
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2013-02-10, 10:17 | Link #5887 |
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About Orb power, they are strong.
They can easily defeat 2, 3 nations but the enemy is just too strong... EA = Earth alliance = USA + Russia + many countries from EU + Arab countries + Africa + Asia PLANTs = advance technology and human race(every single person can be score A- rank or higher) + first one to build MS. Don't to mention that many if not all Coordinator think of themselves as PLANTs citizen even if they didn't born there and that why Orb Coordinators didn't even think twice to give all Orb secret data to ZAFT to build gundam... |
2013-02-10, 11:49 | Link #5888 |
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There's also the fact that AA and Strike, who were only really targets to the Cruset team because of a personal grudge and Zaft command didn't really care much about hunting them down, and Djibril who was wanted by the entire world and the Zaft chairman was ordering his capture where too totally different valued targets.
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Also, Irrelevant, since they never went to war with orb, it's once again you speculating without any fact to back it up except your own imagination Quote:
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You not accepting the fact that the Seirans ran orb is your own problem, but its what happened in the show. We arent told when or how the Seirans claimed the power, it just happened, and thats what we have to accept. Quote:
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And even in Destiny, the "conflict between EA and ZAFT" was NOT "brought to a complete stand still" because the war continued until no earlier than the fall of LOGOS. Quote:
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2013-02-11, 11:23 | Link #5892 |
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Seriously, im starting to belive that Yuna seiran has a twin named Yuuna seiran.
Episode 12, he acts smart. Episode 26? he acts smart by saying that he cant acknowledge Cagalli because Orb would be destroyed by the EA if he did. Then in episode 42? he goes full retard Clearly, the real Yuna was assasinated and replaced by his whimpy younger brother, Yuuna Seiran. Yuna was 2cool4orb |
2013-02-11, 17:51 | Link #5894 |
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As far as the whole nuclear weapons and ORB's access to them goes, there's very little chance they could get the data from the Archangel. The NJC is pretty much under the control of Kira, who was quite adamant in making sure that NO ONE got it from him. As far as other avenues of acquisition goes, NJCs were banned for the use of mobile suits and presumably nothing else. The technology was distributed around Earth to deal with the power crisis after the treaty, IIRC, so they could use their nuclear power plants once more. So if ORB uses nuclear reactors then they'll probably have acquired the technology for them already.
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1. They had facilities 2. They had a Mass driver That's why, since the EA needed a mass driver to get to space, that was the effort it was worth, thats why we don't see anything from Orb after the Mass driver is blown up, the maincrew moved to space with Azrael's forces on the ground. (for now) Where did they ever say " SHIET, ORB IS SO POWERFUL THEY COULD POSSIBLY DETER OUR ARMADA " they never did, and Orb surely did fall, two days after the battle ensued with lots of losses aswell, Orb took its armed forces and ran off to space, with the only warship they had, pretty desperate for a country that could deter them, no? Quote:
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Once again, let me try and explain this in a simple manner so you actually understand what i'm trying to say, since you seem to have a hard time getting the point. Zaft was chasing one ship and one mobile suit. the AA was one ship and one mobile suit Orb's naval fleet came to defend its own waters from an outside attack and to prevent the two parties from having an armed conflict on their waters. Athrun understood that, so he pulled his forces back because a threeway fight with those small numbers would be suicide. Athrun is a decent commander and decides to go with Stealth over brute force and infiltrates Orb because: 1. Waging war against a country, regardless how small or big it is for ONE SHIP and ONE MOBILE SUIT is not something you do when you are already fighting a close to planet-scale war 2. It is called making a good choice to not run in guns blazing, what Yzak Joule thinks is irrelevant, he was immature and constantly hung up on revenge throughout most of Seed after he was scarred by Kira in the strike. 3. If the Zaft high council, which i highly doubt since they are engineer'd super-humans agreed to attack Orb because they had ONE SHIP and ONE MOBILE SUIT there, they might aswell start start nuking themselfs because there would be no plot in the show at all anymore. Quote:
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In fact, the fact that EA even used nuclear weapons in the first place showed that MAD was never a factor. Quote:
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Orb knows the EA from SEED. The Destroys are merely examples of what the EA are capable and willing to do. Try not to mix the two. Quote:
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So without the power to defeat the EA, and if being neutral wasn't enough to keep the EA, then what will actually deter the EA from attacking Orb anytime it wants something from Orb? Quote:
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But just because Athrun is like that, it doesn't mean that Orb is capable of deterring an attack from either EA or ZAFT. Heck, ZAFT's invasion of Orb in Destiny proves that if they really want it, they have no problem attacking Orb. Quote:
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As for your stand that Orb cannot stand on its own, for a reason both in SEED and Destiny not a single country is shown to be taking over it. And we have these countries not willing to do anything to it if it came to that. It's the only nation in the earth sphere which had owned a colony, a high technology MS manufacturer in its territory, and managed to create a golden MS with a very advanced anti beam properties armor (not really sure if the PLANTs have also discovered about this breakthrough), not to mention have created 4 Astrays. Now, I would like to hear your position as to why Orb STILL cannot stand on its own 2 feet, given these very, very blatant facts. Quote:
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Also at the beginning of Destiny, Orb was in a position wherein the Junius Treaty even had specifically prohibited them in lending their military technological know-how to either ZAFT or the EA. This also points to Orb being a military power so powerful it can swing either side to victory in a war. Quote:
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