[MANGA] Akatsuki's Goal

[kikko_s]

I'm a little let down with Kishi's explanation of Akatsuki and their supposed goal. It seems a little beneath them. I think Oro's a more bad-ass enemy now 'cause his goal is actually something...not...well, it's cliche but not as cliche as Akatsuki's. I'm certainly hoping that it's just one of those curveballs that Kishi likes to throw and that it'll be something totally different altogether later on.

[matsuno]

Well take it from two sides:

Akatsuki is made up of members who are ranging so much in personallity and ultimate ends that they would need a unified reason to work together. With this in mind, only through global domination might each member be able to realise his individual wants. Those that want chaos and war, thats what is going to happen. Those that want to challenge other top end ninja will also get those wishes fulfilled, and least of all, those that just want power/money will ultimately walk out with all that.

On the other hand, Orochimaru left Akatsuki, and we were never left with a solid reason of why. Now we can be pretty sure that it's because he has decided he doesn't need their resources to attain his goals, and furthermore, with Akatsuki, he wouldn't become the top dog in the end of it all. Face it, Orochimaru is still pissed off he never got to be Hokage, and he would of been submitting to another take a position he feels that he is the sole deserving person to have it.

[tatami]

well once akatsuki reaches their lame goal, it will be same as orochimaru-hime s case.every one is free to do what he wants...

[neoko]

I think oro's goal suits him well. I don't think it's cliche at all.

However with the aka's goal. I reckon they should have just recruited an army of ninja's who desire fighting, wealth or destruction of certain villages, and used that to conquer the world (along with the demons).

All this money and mercenary stuff make the akatsuki look less badass. Especially after the manga made out that aka > oro in terms of badassness.

[Jn183]

I vote for "lame"

Akatsuki has NOT accomplish ANYTHING when they are that damn strong. At least Oro setup the sound village and took over Sand Village after he left Akatsuki. From what I see, it's ridiculous if 5 out of the 7 Akatsuki could even beat Orochimura. Meh, Kobuto seems to be able to take on at least 3 of the Akatsuki.

Akatsuki isn't the badass that I thought they were. When I first heard of them and then Itachi and Shark guy got introduced, I was like "Oh Crap" here they come. Oro's will be taking the backseat but now, it seems Oro's is the main SoB of the story and Akatsuki just a pawn really.

However, I guess what is more crazy that world domination. *shrug* I just find orochimura's goal to be more interesting and more dangerous than Akatsuki at the moment. Immortality and learning all the jutsu.

[XYKE]

What did you guys expect they would do then?

[Zu Ra]

Originally Posted by Jn183

However, I guess what is more crazy that world domination. *shrug* I just find orochimura's goal to be more interesting and more dangerous than Akatsuki at the moment. Immortality and learning all the jutsu.

2nd that Akatsuki goals were a major anti-climax . I expected them to have more sinister goals . Note : Even Dr Evil has more devious plans . Akatsuki Goals makes Itachi look bad .

Now I get it why Oro betrayed Akatasuki

[kikko_s]

Just expected something a little more creative. That's why I read manga, watch movies, etc. Because I lack storytelling creativity and I like the entertainment. World domination through controlling the economy of war...it's been done.

[LoOnatick]

Well, first of all Akatsuki is trying to capture all the Bijuus. What do you expect they'd do once all is captured?

1. Sealed them away so they cause no harms to the world (..right..the strongest organization in the Naruto universe who is pretty much the biggest antagonist of the series, after wasting time and energy just to capture them will try and make the world a better place).
Hidan: So..uh....what're we planning to do once we capture all of them?
Akatsuki Leader:...uhhh...w-we.we..gonna seal them away..so...they cause no harms to the world.
Would you guys prefer this goal than world domination?
2. Since there is 9 members total, each may be getting their own Bijuu (sounds reasonable).

Ever since their first goal was to capture all the Bijuus, I'd expected their main one to be world domination. I, myself dislike the idea because its been done before. But What else could they do? Once they obtain all 9 demons (after getting money and achieving their other goals that they planned to) there isn't anything left that is bigger than world domination.

[zamme]

Hey, has Kishimoto ever let us down in the past?
There will definitely be a twist or two about AL's intentions, this is just a preview of the big whole idea.
Besides, it's not the destination that matters but the path you take there.

Just go with the flow and thing'll turn out good, no need making such a big deal out of it.

[tatami]

i dont think the goal world domination sux or lame. whats lame is that the way they r doing it as in the metal gear story.if they told we will conquer world with the power of bijuu i wont call it for lame...

[Slayerx]

One of the things that annoys me about akatsuki's plan is that there doesn't seem to be a real point to sealing the demons...

I mean, the leader said that the demons were gonna be used to start wars, nothing else... but do they really need the demons to start wars? How would they use the demons? Would they just have the demon attack a country and then try to blame the attack on another country? that's kinda hard to pull off, since the country would probably have a hard time believing that another could actually gain control of a demon that has been known for centruies to attack like a natrual disaster... A far easier and more convincing method would be disgusing a bunch of ninja as members of the enemy country and just make one huge attack... you could deal enough damage that the country will want revenge, and you could easily convince them who the target of such vengence should be...

What i think would have been a better use of the demons within their plan for world domination, is using them to destory the 5 great villages... Even with the akatsuki's combined strnegth, destorying a village would be quite the diffcult task... While their are few individual ninja that can take on each member, the same can not be said about teams of ninja... One such example would be Asuma and Shikamaru against Hiden; Asuma would have died fighting alone, but with Shikamaru's abilties and brains they were able to essentially beat Hiden... another sort of exmple is Diedara vs Garra; sure Deidara won, but he needed to use all of clay to do it, in other words, had someone like Baki attacked him, he might have been beaten... The tailed demons would give atasuki a serious edge if they decided to go and destory the other villages...

Grant it though, they way the akatsuki leader planned it... the 5 great villages are supposedly going to end up being disolved through the power of economics... thus they don't really need the demons to destroy them...

[LithiumHelios]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

One of the things that annoys me about akatsuki's plan is that there doesn't seem to be a real point to sealing the demons...

I mean, the leader said that the demons were gonna be used to start wars, nothing else... but do they really need the demons to start wars? How would they use the demons? Would they just have the demon attack a country and then try to blame the attack on another country? that's kinda hard to pull off, since the country would probably have a hard time believing that another could actually gain control of a demon that has been known for centruies to attack like a natrual disaster... A far easier and more convincing method would be disgusing a bunch of ninja as members of the enemy country and just make one huge attack... you could deal enough damage that the country will want revenge, and you could easily convince them who the target of such vengence should be...

What i think would have been a better use of the demons within their plan for world domination, is using them to destory the 5 great villages... Even with the akatsuki's combined strnegth, destorying a village would be quite the diffcult task... While their are few individual ninja that can take on each member, the same can not be said about teams of ninja... One such example would be Asuma and Shikamaru against Hiden; Asuma would have died fighting alone, but with Shikamaru's abilties and brains they were able to essentially beat Hiden... another sort of exmple is Diedara vs Garra; sure Deidara won, but he needed to use all of clay to do it, in other words, had someone like Baki attacked him, he might have been beaten... The tailed demons would give atasuki a serious edge if they decided to go and destory the other villages...

Grant it though, they way the akatsuki leader planned it... the 5 great villages are supposedly going to end up being disolved through the power of economics... thus they don't really need the demons to destroy them...

I'd have to agree with the bulk of that. Some things just don't seem to tie in very well with Akatsuki's 'plans'.

The overall plan given to us seems pretty lame and boring. I mean you could have opened a gateway to hell or smushed the demons into one big all-powerful god-like power source but noooo, nothing like that, just plain old world domination. Saying that we haven't been told what role the demons have so that can be expanded on.

I think it's an overly cliched plan and I'm therefore hoping that this is 'curveball'.

So yeah, needs a more cryptic plot (bathed in mythology would be good), needs more character development with regards to Akatsuki members (we're starting to go in circles a little here...) and need something interesting to happen with the demons or we've pretty much had zero plot development. (Well a lie but good enough.)

[tatami]

i hope al got some other nasty plan to sell out other akatsukians...

[matsuno]

Actually using the demons as means to start wars is simple. Having captured them in the first place, they will have the experience to take them out easily in the future without overexerting their abilities. What's more, we know from the start of the series that Konoha was nearly wiped out b y just the kyuubi. This would means that 99% of ninja couldn't stand a chance vs one of them. To think that there are ninja who can go 1 on 1 vs these beasts is terrifying initself. But with using them to put most of the world to it's knees and needing Akatsuki to do the job gives them a huge edge.

What's more, the demons being part of their arsenal to attack with is beyond unimaginable powers. From what we know of Akatsuki's plans, these demons are truly the most key part of the entire plan to succeed in a relatively short period. No long term manipulation, just get it done all on a time line (and since we know that capturing the demons is on a time line, it all rolls together).

[raikage]

Orochimaru at least fits the mad-scientist stereotypical character, which isn't all THAT bad an archetypical character.

Akatsuki wants to take over the world...for MONEY~!

I'm confused.
Not because Aka wants to take over the world, but what do they want to do with the world once they have it?

Fight each other?

[tatami]

they are not doing it for money man it is for controlling whole world.money is just a part of it.also after they dominated world they will just use the bijuu s for personal business...

if there is 9 bijuu what was the original plan by having 10 members?

[Zek]

Well, it's not a big surprise to anyone that Akatsuki wants to take over the world. Their method for doing so is a little interesting but nothing that hasn't been done before. Since the leader has thought it out so thoroughly I'd be surprised if they don't at least get to step two.

I'm more curious about the motivations of the members though. In particular we still don't know who the leader is or what he plans to do once he's in control. It's also obvious at this point that each of the members has their own plans and are in it for their own reasons - Akatsuki is a very loose organization, really only held together by the leader.

It's a shame that Sasori was introduced and killed without being given any more depth than a genius that got lonely without his parents. I hope Kishimoto does more justice to the other members when their turns come up.

[Slayerx]

Y'know, i also find the whole mercenary village with no allegance to be a tad bit questionable... I mean, with all the small countries relying on them, wouldn't that mean that the ninja of that same village would end up fighting aginast eachother on numberous missions? cause that would probably end up causing quite a bit of internal conflict...

I suppose the village could just avoid it by picking jobs carefully and never picking jobs that would force their ninja into conflict with eachother, but this would undermine their goal a bit... a main part of their plan is to have every village come to rely on them, but any job that they refuse to take would end up going to another village, thus ensuring work for that village...

Originally Posted by matsuno

Actually using the demons as means to start wars is simple. Having captured them in the first place, they will have the experience to take them out easily in the future without overexerting their abilities. What's more, we know from the start of the series that Konoha was nearly wiped out b y just the kyuubi. This would means that 99% of ninja couldn't stand a chance vs one of them. To think that there are ninja who can go 1 on 1 vs these beasts is terrifying initself. But with using them to put most of the world to it's knees and needing Akatsuki to do the job gives them a huge edge.

Instead of starting wars, This sounds like your talking about a demon extermination service... Akatsuki release demons onto country, country's ninjas can't stop them, country calls akatsuki, Akatsuki re-seals them without anyone realizing that they released the demons in the first place... This does not sound like the AL was saying; AL said that they would be used to start wars big or small, war as in something that could last years with countless causalties and involving hundreds-thousands of ninja battling aginast eachother... the demons however do not seem needed for such a task, and thus demon extermination service actually sounds like a good idea by comparrison

Originally Posted by matsuno

What's more, the demons being part of their arsenal to attack with is beyond unimaginable powers. From what we know of Akatsuki's plans, these demons are truly the most key part of the entire plan to succeed in a relatively short period. No long term manipulation, just get it done all on a time line (and since we know that capturing the demons is on a time line, it all rolls together).

The demons seem entirely unnessasary for their plan... From AL's explanation, the demons don't actually come into play until late in the play as mearly tools for starting wars, and nothing else; Not as weapons for fighting wars... AL doesn't even seem to be anticipating war against the other villages... Basically, instead of actually destorying the villages, their expecting the villages to collapse on themselves due to economy and war losses... I can see all of this easily being done without the need for demons... one assasination/disastor is all it really takes to trigger a war...

The demons would be far more suitable as weapons of war, instead of just simple sparks of war...

[suzy223]

If you've read the latest Naruto manga chapter, they have revealed their goal.

I'm not saying the real one, due to spoilers.