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Blutsauger · 2011-11-18, 01:01

quote from Shana-tan, "Shine! Shine! Shine!"- Chibi Shana

redflame · 2011-11-19, 01:21

Hope the summary of vol.22 comes out soon.. because I have a crapload of questions about the ending.

Especially this one: In that Shana vs. Yuji battle, who won? I know that

Spoiler for ending:

But I wanna know who won that particular battle? Or was the battle stopped or something?

Blutsauger · 2011-11-19, 02:11

ohh yeah! I wonder how that battle turned out, as well! Well, without having actually read it, I can't tell if that battle actually happened or not. But it's fairly obvious, it MUST've happened right? Maybe Sakai Yuji just won, to bide time for SnH?
ooooh I just can't wait~

Hell_ping · 2011-11-19, 08:09

Spoiler for Don't read if you don't want to read it.:

Om Nerabdator · 2011-11-19, 08:21

so in the end the snake won, flame hazes lost

Marcus H. · 2011-11-19, 08:52

Well, everything was just a big misunderstanding that ended up being a four-thousand year war hidden from human history.

Elf song · 2011-11-19, 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

Spoiler for Don't read if you don't want to read it.:

Spoiler for At least...:

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-11-19, 11:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Om Nerabdator

so in the end the snake won, flame hazes lost

The Flame Hazes lost nothing (those that fell not withstanding).

Om Nerabdator · 2011-11-19, 11:49

flame hazes ran out of time, so they lost ^^ accept it and move on lol

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-11-19, 11:52

Accept what?

You speak as if I'm even defending them.

It's a fact they were not obliterated at the end and actually benefited from a new world with boundless existence power literally in its very fabric and the end to long war

Hell_ping · 2011-11-19, 11:53

Alright guys, enough with this for now and let's move on. I should be starting 22 somewhere mid-December. It's going to eat into my January schedule though.

Cosmic Eagle · 2011-11-19, 11:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

Alright guys, enough with this for now and let's move on. I should be starting 22 somewhere mid-December. It's going to eat into my January schedule though.

Roughly how long will you take to get to the second chapter? Depending how far I am with Horizon, I may do that one if I feel like it....it's where Chiara shines after all...

Hell_ping · 2011-11-19, 12:18

Two weeks of translation at least. And another 3 weeks break. The first chapter's already more than 100 pages... (don't forget, I still have that poll novel I want to rush through, though SAO is leading by like, 16 votes?)

Most likely, I guess I'll reach there in like, January?

Om Nerabdator · 2011-11-19, 12:56

have you released the first chapter somewhere yet??

edit: nvm i think i read it wrong

lightbringer · 2011-11-19, 14:04

He's saying he wants to start translating mid-December, so obviously he's not released anything yet. Everyone is getting their hopes up now but let's just chill and let the dude do it when/if he wants to, not pester him. Anyway, we'll soon see this stuff on screen

. I suppose last volume material will be airing around February/March.

Om Nerabdator · 2011-11-19, 14:06

id be happy if someone just post a summary thats longer than one sentence

redflame · 2011-11-19, 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teh_Ping

Spoiler for Don't read if you don't want to read it.:

Thanks

. Though I'm kinda disappointed that Shana didn't win. oh well

Marcus H. · 2011-11-19, 19:13

Well, winning in Flame Haze terms is "retaining the rules of the battlefield".
The "unexpected" win of the Snake of the Festival is unexpected in more ways than one, since the plan he has prepared for thousands of years actually worked, if not for Alastor's and the other Flame Hazes' worries of a meltdown.

In Madoka Magica terms, it's like Walpurgisnacht pulling off a Madokami.

edgelesspigeon · 2011-11-21, 03:41

I would argue that the Flame Haze "lost", primarily because their goal was to stop the Snake of the Festival and Yuji from creating Xanadu, fearing that it would destroy the world. While tactically speaking the Flame Haze may have taken the advantage, it was a strategic defeat. Bal Masque's goal was to create Xanadu, so it was a strategic victory for them. A strategic victory being one that ultimately brings the victor closer to winning the war. A tactical victory is one where the victor achieves operational or battlefield victory. The two aren't exclusive, but one can have a strategic victory and tactical defeat, and vice versa. World War II's Battle of the Coral Sea, for example was a Japanese tactical victory in that they caused the Americans more losses. It was a strategic victory for the Americans, however, in that it halted the Japanese invasion of Port Moresby, which would have been a critical threat to Australia. In contrast, the Vietnam War was a tactical victory for the Americans (they defeated the North Vietnamese and Vietcong in practically every battle of the war), but they were unable to prevent South Vietnam from falling to communism, and thus North Vietnam won a strategic victory. An American colonel once said to a Vietnamese colonel that "You never defeat us in the field", and the Vietnamese colonel's response was "That may be true. It is also irrelevant." Similarly, the Flame Haze may have been on the verge of a tactical victory, but the Denizens' were never concerned with defeating the Flame Haze in battle, they just needed to hold the line long enough for the Snake and Yuji to win.

edgelesspigeon · 2011-11-21, 03:42

What I'm interested in was who one the personal duel between Shana and Yuji, or was that a stalemate as well?

2011-11-19, 01:21	Link #4542
redflame Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011	Hope the summary of vol.22 comes out soon.. because I have a crapload of questions about the ending. Especially this one: In that Shana vs. Yuji battle, who won? I know that Spoiler for ending: Yuji and the tomogaras were victorious at the ending But I wanna know who won that particular battle? Or was the battle stopped or something? __________________

2011-11-19, 08:09	Link #4544
Hell_ping 一刀繚乱 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: アッバス Age: 33	Spoiler for Don't read if you don't want to read it.: The battle was a stalemate. Basically, it was a race against time for Flame Hazes vs Bal Masque. They were winning, and though Shana managed to take the advantage, the time expired before they could win. __________________ I can still proceed on without reason.

2011-11-19, 08:21	Link #4545
Om Nerabdator ~Maru~ Join Date: Mar 2008	so in the end the snake won, flame hazes lost __________________

2011-11-19, 08:52	Link #4546
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Well, everything was just a big misunderstanding that ended up being a four-thousand year war hidden from human history. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2011-11-19, 11:49	Link #4549
Om Nerabdator ~Maru~ Join Date: Mar 2008	flame hazes ran out of time, so they lost ^^ accept it and move on lol __________________

2011-11-18, 01:01	Link #4541
Blutsauger Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia	quote from Shana-tan, "Shine! Shine! Shine!"- Chibi Shana

2011-11-19, 02:11	Link #4543
Blutsauger Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia	ohh yeah! I wonder how that battle turned out, as well! Well, without having actually read it, I can't tell if that battle actually happened or not. But it's fairly obvious, it MUST've happened right? Maybe Sakai Yuji just won, to bide time for SnH? ooooh I just can't wait~

2011-11-19, 11:52	Link #4550
Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	Accept what? You speak as if I'm even defending them. It's a fact they were not obliterated at the end and actually benefited from a new world with boundless existence power literally in its very fabric and the end to long war __________________

2011-11-19, 11:53	Link #4551
Hell_ping 一刀繚乱 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: アッバス Age: 33	Alright guys, enough with this for now and let's move on. I should be starting 22 somewhere mid-December. It's going to eat into my January schedule though. __________________ I can still proceed on without reason.

2011-11-19, 12:18	Link #4553
Hell_ping 一刀繚乱 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: アッバス Age: 33	Two weeks of translation at least. And another 3 weeks break. The first chapter's already more than 100 pages... (don't forget, I still have that poll novel I want to rush through, though SAO is leading by like, 16 votes?) Most likely, I guess I'll reach there in like, January? __________________ I can still proceed on without reason.

2011-11-19, 12:56	Link #4554
Om Nerabdator ~Maru~ Join Date: Mar 2008	have you released the first chapter somewhere yet?? edit: nvm i think i read it wrong __________________ Last edited by Om Nerabdator; 2011-11-19 at 13:38.

2011-11-19, 14:04	Link #4555
lightbringer M9000 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SBC Gurokken	He's saying he wants to start translating mid-December, so obviously he's not released anything yet. Everyone is getting their hopes up now but let's just chill and let the dude do it when/if he wants to, not pester him. Anyway, we'll soon see this stuff on screen . I suppose last volume material will be airing around February/March.

2011-11-19, 14:06	Link #4556
Om Nerabdator ~Maru~ Join Date: Mar 2008	id be happy if someone just post a summary thats longer than one sentence __________________

2011-11-19, 19:13	Link #4558
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Well, winning in Flame Haze terms is "retaining the rules of the battlefield". The "unexpected" win of the Snake of the Festival is unexpected in more ways than one, since the plan he has prepared for thousands of years actually worked, if not for Alastor's and the other Flame Hazes' worries of a meltdown. In Madoka Magica terms, it's like Walpurgisnacht pulling off a Madokami. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2011-11-21, 03:41	Link #4559
edgelesspigeon Member Join Date: Feb 2011	I would argue that the Flame Haze "lost", primarily because their goal was to stop the Snake of the Festival and Yuji from creating Xanadu, fearing that it would destroy the world. While tactically speaking the Flame Haze may have taken the advantage, it was a strategic defeat. Bal Masque's goal was to create Xanadu, so it was a strategic victory for them. A strategic victory being one that ultimately brings the victor closer to winning the war. A tactical victory is one where the victor achieves operational or battlefield victory. The two aren't exclusive, but one can have a strategic victory and tactical defeat, and vice versa. World War II's Battle of the Coral Sea, for example was a Japanese tactical victory in that they caused the Americans more losses. It was a strategic victory for the Americans, however, in that it halted the Japanese invasion of Port Moresby, which would have been a critical threat to Australia. In contrast, the Vietnam War was a tactical victory for the Americans (they defeated the North Vietnamese and Vietcong in practically every battle of the war), but they were unable to prevent South Vietnam from falling to communism, and thus North Vietnam won a strategic victory. An American colonel once said to a Vietnamese colonel that "You never defeat us in the field", and the Vietnamese colonel's response was "That may be true. It is also irrelevant." Similarly, the Flame Haze may have been on the verge of a tactical victory, but the Denizens' were never concerned with defeating the Flame Haze in battle, they just needed to hold the line long enough for the Snake and Yuji to win.

2011-11-21, 03:42	Link #4560
edgelesspigeon Member Join Date: Feb 2011	What I'm interested in was who one the personal duel between Shana and Yuji, or was that a stalemate as well?