2012-01-12, 22:51 | Link #41 |
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By that logic Asuma should have been a fair bit stronger, simply by virtue of being Hiruzen's son. Fact is though, unless I'm mistaken the only instance of parentage being a factor in a shinobi's strength is when there are bloodlines involved, and while that does apply to Naruto his bloodline is neither one that really helps him (yet) nor one that he uses at all (unless it played a role in his recovery factor, amping it up even beyond what the Kyuubi may have done). There hasn't really been a character who was noteworthy just because of their parentage, and until we're explicitly told that being Minato's son played a role in Naruto becoming strong I see no reason to assume that is the case.
Still, the loss of his underdog status is a shame. Will certainly miss watching him struggle the way he did back then (well, he still will, it just doesn't feel the same anymore). |
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I dont think anyone was making it a cut and dry genetic argument. it just adds doubt into naruto's progress being solely achieved by determination where there wasn't any doubt before. |
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2012-01-13, 03:33 | Link #43 |
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Erm .. i may have misinterpreted the whole parentage thing because i'm a little weak in my English.
But how about Kakashi? He is well , a genius. And even before he got the Sharingan he was already well known for being a prodigy. He was kinda from the Hatake Clan and his Dad was known to be stronger and more respected than the 3 Sanins. Just that after his dad took his own life his clan kinda died down in name.. And he doesn't really have any bloodline limit in his family so yeah. Family of geniuses ?
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I actually thought really hard about Kakashi, because you're mostly right. Thing is, we may know that Kakashi's fame initially came from his dad, but that still gives us no reason to assume that his skill came from there too. Though you do raise a point with intelligence being passed down, given that that definitely happens with the Naras as well.
Still, Naruto certainly didn't get very many braincells from his dad, and if they did they're under very good lock and key somewhere. |
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2012-01-13, 13:32 | Link #48 | |
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2012-01-13, 23:41 | Link #51 | |
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+ Kabuto(+orochimaru) has been shown to be fairly capable; at least among the stronger shinobis without the zombies, if not one of the strongest. |
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2012-01-14, 11:34 | Link #52 |
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yea i wouldn't call kabuto an underdog at all. he's more like an evil genius mastermind who is very close to taking over the ninja world atm. even when he was younger, he was brilliant and strong. not to mention the best spy we've seen in the series. I do still want to know more about his past. much much more
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2012-01-14, 19:34 | Link #54 |
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That's the "fate" of main characters of mangas such as these-to have something revealed about them that makes them special and above everyone else in the story. Why should Naruto be different to other main characters of other mangas? Surely noone on these forums truly believed that he really was just an ordinary person and would stay that way until the end did they?
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2012-01-15, 20:26 | Link #56 | |
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And that is why it was so hilarious to see the flashback in this chapter where Neji talks about fate. I was never angry about this matter, actually i like this flashback, because it shows that both Neji and Naruto were right even if they didn't know why at that time. Naruto was right because hard work and fighting against the odds, risking your life and beating the stronger ones is what leads to success, but Neji was also right about "fate" because many people risk everything for their goals but in the end "fate" decides between them, that is who is lucky and who isn't. And Naruto (as all such shonen manga heroes) is very lucky to have survived until now, we can call that "fate" or we would have to call that "plot hole" But if you look at it from a different perspective they were both wrong. Neji accepted his bad luck and didn't do anything to change his "fate", he believed to know what is the future but nobody can tell that. On the other hand Naruto as always relied on huge luck (he didn't even have the plan of using the 9 tails chakra), which means even if he didn't know he actually used his "fate" while he was arguing that there is no fate |
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Chapter 570 thread has been opened (early, as usual). Please move all relevant discussions to the new thread.
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