2012-10-25, 14:28 | Link #401 | |
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Not sure how much more focus is on Usagi in the old anime but it doesn't seem like the rest of the cast gets enough focus in the manga to me. But maybe this is just my bias talking because while Usagi is fine, she is the least interesting of the Sailor Senshi to me. Also from a first time reader's perspective I don't think Sailor Moon manga is that dark. Granted I guess I wouldn't say it's for small children, but I think its perfectly appropriate for a young adult audience.
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2012-10-25, 16:59 | Link #402 | |
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SM was my first taste of anime, so I really liked Mamoru when I first watched the show but now...having gone through the likes of Luka (UraBoku), Tomoe (Kamisama Kiss), and many others...yeah, Mamoru is no longer the bishie I viewed him to be. Unless he has a complete make-over and personality change. LOL. (...dang, that just made me sound so shallow ).
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2012-10-25, 18:47 | Link #405 | ||
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And Usagi's my favorite of the Senshi! She's quite different by the end of the anime; sadly, she's also the only one who gets to do much growing (excepting Chibiusa, but she doesn't count).
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2012-10-25, 20:32 | Link #406 | |
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I mean the other Senshi certainly have their moments but the focus & character development is primarily on Usagi. This is her story. From what I've heard about anime Mamoru though the manga version is definitely an improvement. He's still a bit boring though I think I am fine with the anime following the manga but I wouldn't mind if they expanded the other Senshi's roles just a bit (although if they did that would be filler).
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2012-10-25, 21:08 | Link #407 | ||
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And I do agree that there is very little development of the other characters as well. The side characters from SM feels very much flat. It is sometimes hinted that there's something more to their own individual stories but it was never followed through. Yes, that is a theme that I rarely see in manga or anime. At the moment, I can't think of any other example where the male protagonist supports the female protagonist like this. I'm sure there are but I can't think of one right now.
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2012-10-25, 22:15 | Link #408 | |
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The manga was also better in how Usagi and Mamoru's romance was executed. They began to fall BEFORE finding out each other's identities, whereas in the anime it was " I hate you! What? Omg, you were THAT person the whole time!? Now I LOVE you!" .......I didn't really like.....that. And Chiibi FEEDS on anime romance. Totally lives for it. But it's definitely not one of the Sailormoon anime's stronger points concerning how it was brought to fruition. It felt a little forced and not genuine. Don't get me wrong-their whole past life thing together WAS very lovely and romantic. But.......the manga did a better job showing that they loved each other as normal kids instead of "because I had a crush on your OTHER identity". Princess Tutu and Kaitou St. Tail on the other hand, were great for tackling this exact issue; it bothered Ahiru and Meimi a great deal that their crushes only seemed to like their magical identities. Especially Meimi. MamoruxUsagi wasn't ever a strong ship of mine. To be honest, I loved her with male!Seiya in Stars. Because they were teens doing normal teenager things and coming to like each other just from that. It was very cute!
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2012-10-26, 06:06 | Link #409 |
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As for the UsagixMamoru romance, I think Chiibi nailed it on the head
And I have to admit that even as a kid, I never saw the appeal of Mamoru... Always thought he was boring and couldn't understand what Usagi could possibly see in him. I think my precise objections were that he was "embarrassing, weak and boring"- I was clearly a child with very high standards in men and a bit liberal with the harshness- what can I say?! Now, if I watched it today, I'd probably think he was alright but unremarkable - especially when male!Seiya is so much more fun to watch. But there's nothing essentially wrong with the character, he's just not particularly interesting: which is okay, the story is about the girls, he doesn't need to stand out. But honestly, if there was one thing this show could fix compared to the original, it should be decent focus and distribution of powers for the entire cast. In the end, not only was the story Usagi's, but so was every battle. I couldn't take the rest of the cast seriously at some point, realising they were only there to weaken whoever they were facing enough for Usagi to deliver a convenient killing blow. Some "guardians" they were but every magical girl anime (or: every shojo anime that doesn't focus on romance as it's major plot point/ every show with a predominantly female cast) does this. Look at the male cast in Wedding Peach or Mermaid Melody, Rose of Versailles, Utena (sort of), AKB0048, Kaito Jeanne, you name it. |
2012-10-26, 10:57 | Link #412 | |
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Hmm, I haven't seen Rose of Versailles...sounds interesting, maybe I'll take a look.
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2012-10-26, 11:09 | Link #413 | |
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I think that this version of Sailor Moon will be more balanced than the original anime. Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon has already demonstrated how it can be done.
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It's really quite good; especially if you're familiar with French history. Has there been any news about the movie, or has Toei dropped the ball on that?
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That's more my type of hero! He is so badass <3
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2012-10-30, 10:47 | Link #417 |
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For a female combat anime I don't remember there being a whole lot. In fact it was probably the single worst handled aspect of the show and I even remember finding it lackluster and questionable even as a really young kid. Typically most fights went something like Sailor Moon delivers a speech to monster, monster immediately starts attacking Senshi, they spaz out and just get knocked around a bit almost comedically and THEN Tuxedo Mask shows up, throws a rose, issues some words of encouragement and disappears after which the Senshi start an attack chain of stock footage that usually ends in some giant heart or moon shaped thing colliding with the monster.
At times it could feel so detached and formulaic that it never really felt like anybody was engaging in any real combat. Hopefully they can do something to change that with the new one and give the Senshi at least a little more edge. Actual choreagraphy for the battles against monsters would help instead of the reliance on stills of the Senshi getting beaten around and stock footage of their attacks. The appeal of Mamoru for me is that he has one of the single most experienced and legendary anime voice actors of all time playing him in Tohru Furuya. He's extremely well rounded in pretty much every performance I've ever heard him in and always a bonus to have on a show. Other than that the character doesn't really go much of anywhere until the S season in my opinion since the first season is about him finding out who he actually is and then immediately into the start of the R season he forgets it all again and then for the rest of the Black Moon saga he's actively trying to avoid Usagi and thus rarely factors in. It's only at the start of S that their relationship actually starts to go anywhere interesting, but again it's squandered one last time in Stars where he's out of it for half of the show. I think I recall hearing that Kuniko Ikuhara did not like Mamoru for whatever reason and didn't want to use him cause he thought he'd be a distraction so hopefully that's something that can be remedied with this version as well if they are going to use him as I don't think the character or actor himself was boring, just the manner in which he was used or rather not used. There's a lot of things that were wrong with the original that this remake could serve to remedy if I'm being honest. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2012-10-30 at 10:59. |
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It's funny how Precure series and Saint Seiya Omega have about the same style of combat choreography despite one being based off an old school gar shonen fighting franchise and the other basically being cutesy little girls who suddenly morph into MMA fighters for the combat sequences. It's just so....not what you'd expect if you'd never seen or heard of it before to know already. |
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2012-10-30, 18:48 | Link #420 |
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I remember a few actual fights in Sailor Moon. Juptiter vs. Tuxedo Mask for instance. A few others from time to time...usually when on of the main villains lackeys decides to do their dirty work personally (rather that just leave it to the monster of the week). Most fights still end with stock footage of Sailor Moon using one wand or another thingy. Every once in a while one of the other Scouts would take out a monster of the week without Moon, but it was rare. especialy during those times they needed whatever power it was Moon had to free the civilian whose body was beig used as the monster of the week...or to put something or other back into the civilian or "friend they had forever, but was never seen before or again after this episode" person.
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