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I notice that a lot of fans who tote around their "old-school"ness tend to bash newer series like Gundam Seed and Gundam Wing a lot (ESPECIALLY Gundam Wing).
I realize that there are a lot of things that you can find fault with in Gundam Wing and Gundam Seed, but I think that it's important to look at what it is a particular series offers. Definitely older series like 08th MS, X, ZZ and the like are great and some might feel that they're a little thicker on the character connection and plot, but Gundam Wing and Gundam Seed have stellar animation and their action sequences are excellent. Some people might be able to shrug that off, but that's got to be an achievement worth something - and it's not like the plotlines flat-out-sucked either - I still got pretty attached to the Seed characters. In defense of Gundam Wing, a lot of people have huge problems with the ridiculous power of the Gundams, which is an argument with definite merit. However, it's not something that's never been done before - in fact, I think most Gundam series have some point where the Gundam is trashing just about every enemy on the field (think Kira Yamato busting up the Bacows). At that point, the bad guys have to pull out something bigger and better. That's the way it worked in Wing too... albeit not quite as well. And in my opinion, a lot worse series have brandished the Gundam name (ie. Gundam 0080 War in the Pocket: an entire series about some little kid in a space colony... not to mention the mobile suit that the characters spent the entire series building [the Kaempfer] barely made an appearance). Last edited by a_ndy; 2004-01-15 at 20:36. |
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As for Gundam Wing, I have to admit that talking with some people who REALLY know Gundam and STILL like Wing has made me understand and appreciate that series a bit more. It's a superhero show at the core, and the point of that series is very different from those of the UC shows... It questions not why people have war and dislike peace but asks the question of HOW. The characters are stiff but they are meant to be that way. So I guess people just have to watch it from a different perspective, just like with Seed and G Gundam too. (though your point that other Gundam shows have Gundams that are pretty powerful is true, the ones in Wing are just downright overpowering, since other Gundams shows generally don't have single suits wiping out entire armies except maybe for G... And a squadron of BaGUEs is not really an army) Oh and why oh why do people keep saying that 08th MS Team is old? Wing is even older, you know...
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Animation is not worth that much. It is a given that animation techniques will improve over time, so why should that a plus for either series. Most of the plot line from Wing and the early part of Seed is taken from the earlier series. So you can't really say that they are better on that account. Why is 0080 a terrible series? Just because it doesn't have a lot of mobile suit fights it should be thought of any less of a series. The whole point of gundam was to show the effects of war on the people involved. It that way it completely acheived the ideal of gundam. We finally see the Zeons as the focus and see how the civilians are effected. The problem with Wing is that there is no bigger guns so to speak except for Epyon. The only time the gundams are damaged is when the plot calls for it. Even in the first series the gundam took damage from other mobile suits. |
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And I don't like the Seed animation in most parts anyway, they spent far too much on CG and not nearly enough on character and mobile suit animation and the result is reused clips over and over and over again. And Wing is pretty average in its days.
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As for method's post that animation isn't really worth anything... I'm not quite sure how you can watch anime, or any kind of animation for that matter, and believe that the animation itself is a non-factor. Were that true, nobody would watch anime in the first place - instead we'd be reading about Char Aznable and Shiro Amada in novels. Creating an animation that is intense and elegant is equally worthy of praise as creating one that is emotionally invovling. If one is going to argue that Wing and Seed are not animated well, then that perhaps is a matter of actual opinion. I personally like the clean, crisp colours and fluidity of the portrayed movement - I found it all very stylized. Last edited by a_ndy; 2004-01-15 at 20:36. |
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I find it funny that you find that story that story unreal. You missed the point I was making. Animation alone shouldn't make a story. It should be good no matter if it is live action, in a novel, or animated. Anyway we do read side stories about Char and other characters in novelizations of the UC story. Its almost expected that a series made 25 years ago will not look as good as one made today. Why should it get praised for something that is expected? |
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Wing was good i liked it a lot it held a very important point. In Seed they did so much computer animation that i dont' really like.
Well 'Gundam' is what it says no matter what it is always Gundam that could beat or be equal against another 'Gundam' Nothing changes.
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Anyway, like I said, Wing's animation is about the same as those in 0083, V, G, X and 08th MS Team, so I think they're really nothing to write home about. Endless Waltz on the other hand does look pretty good... And IMO Turn A's animation looks the best out of the TV Gundams, but due to the lack of battles in that series and the lack of CGI I think that's expected. Quote:
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Thats all I have to say in response to your post, which has to be one of the most errored and flawed in this thread. But hey, thats what editors are for . |
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As for Gundam X, yeah it's very unpopular among certain people for some reason (and it resulted in its cancellation), though I HAVE seen a lot of other people, old-school, Gundam "n00bs" and AU-fans alike enjoy that series too... And to this day I am still unsure of the EXACT reason why this is so... In fact its reputation is so bad that the great and wise Mitsuo Fukuda himself "quit" after watching one episode and laughed about how bad it was... Which is strange considering the fact that the latter half of Seed most closely resembles that of X... Quote:
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That goes to everyone out there too. This'll probably be the only thread you will see me in because i cant stand most other anime. So the nice me might not show in my limited stay here. Now, back on topic... Quote:
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As for X, I'm referring to its horrible reputation in Japan that caused it to get cancelled in the first place... And Turn A has much less mobile suit action yet it is well liked by old fans (though commercially it did even worse than X). Anyway, I can argue that most of Tomino's works are just as repetitive as G Gundam is, but I really don't want to get into it... I like every single Gundam anime ever made and I don't like bashing any of them.
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G was the first AU series so to create its own place in Gundam history it went more in the style of the old super robot series. It threw the overt theme of war out the window and went with the noble war concept of the Gundam tournament. The problem most people have with G is that they don't look past the fighting and see the story of Domon and his fight with the Devil Gundam. Alot of the cheesiness is intentional like the suit designs and especially the King of Hearts attack and the ending. Yes G gundam can be repitive especially in the early part of the series with the gundam fight related episodes. That changes with the inrtoduction of the Devil Gundam and Master Asia.
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