2010-04-07, 09:53 | Link #13541 |
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Wow, this all seems like a lot of conjecture, given how little we know, especially as translated 29 hasn't been released yet.
I do hope its not something as strange as the O.Moka is basically her mums personality though, or something equally as off kilter, not only is that decidedly wierd, but also means Tsukune is stuck in pretty horrible position! I'm happy to go with the Rosary sealing memories, but sealing the mother etc... until I see proof otherwise, Im gonna stick with I/O both being part of Moka, I just dont think theres enough evidence, and am not sure I particularly like where that might take the story if that was the case. The Harem needs resolved, not Tsukune's relationships being turned even more into a hellishly complicated affair! Hopefully we wont get any cop-outs either. I could believe her mum might have dissapeared though to try and protect Moka, and left the Rosary perhaps to try and help her in the future/grow stronger though, or it might hold some memories and information to help her when she becomes old/strong enough to know. If it was created by the exorcist who was a friend of Moka's mum, to leave as a keepsake and aid in the future, I could perhaps see this being more correct, rather than it actually containing Mummy Nescafe's 'spirit'.
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2010-04-07, 10:02 | Link #13542 | |
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I agree that there might be something more in the similarity between Outer Moka and her mom as well and that leaving the Rosario at the same time that Moka's mother disappears might be more then coexistence , but I wouldn't make too much theories regarding that, especially since we even don't know yet ... what kind of a person Moka's mother was. |
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2010-04-07, 10:14 | Link #13544 |
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The best part about theories: waiting for the translations and future chapters to blow them out of the water (and there are a few that need to be blown out of the water)
and one more thing: the exorcist FIXED the rosario, not created it... the only hint we have of him creating anything is the holy lock, and even then he was only seen giving it to Tsukune, and his statement of it supposedly "not being meant for him"
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2010-04-07, 11:08 | Link #13547 |
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I Just found the perfect song for Mizore x Tsukune(or me)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNzPwGQhddM "Stalker" by Goldfinger "I wonna marry my Stalker!~" well i found a AMV of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0XoQQxuKD8
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2010-04-07, 12:07 | Link #13548 | |
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I think it's impossible that Omote is the mom or Daddy Starbuck's wife. Not only would that be extremely complicated for the mangaka to explain, it would also make Tsukune and Moka's relationship pretty messed up. It would've have been the mom hitting on Tsukune and Ura-chan had to watch or something. it sounds so messed up I don't even know how to come up with a coherent explanation of why it's impossible for Omote to be the mom! |
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2010-04-07, 12:27 | Link #13549 |
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The fact that both Kokoa and Karua recognized outer Moka as Moka and not as the mom, debunks any crazy theories on Outer = Mom. It's just too farfetched and cracked out to even be considered.
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2010-04-07, 14:43 | Link #13551 | |
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Here's their comparisons: Each number (1 to 5) represents a threat "level" Tsukune = 1 Tsukune (ghoul) = 4 Moka = 5 Kurumu = 3 Mizore = 3 Yukari = 4 Ginei = 5 Yukari's father = 4 Kuyou (fox dude) = 5 Doppleganger (pictured as Kurumu) = 4 Ishigami (Medusa lady) = 4 Jack Frost = 3 This is interesting and all, but... WHAT THE HELL?!?! Yukaris level of threath is 4?!?... so she is even more powerfull with those iron cards of hers than Mizore and Kumuru? (especialy Kumuru.. I mean she has her seduction... or what ever it's called) whats ya think? |
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2010-04-07, 14:57 | Link #13552 |
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Could be referring to the crazy inventions she comes up with, and danger level because A) Shes probably going to be a pretty strong witch when she's older and B) She's crazy smart.
Especially as I doubt she's magically/control-wise as strong as her dad yet. It's also quite possible those threat levels aren't up to date, or may change in the future, I can certainly see Tsukune's Ghoul/Vampiric/Hybrid form becoming stronger than he's listed as, I mean can you really see fully mind-****ed, possessed Tsukune losing to Yukari, or his form when he learns full control; he's regularly been getting stronger as the series progresses after all! In otherwords the list is subject to change, and isn't really detailed enough. Also, I dunno, but I doubt Kuyou would be anywhere as tough to defeat as he used to be, given the progression rate for various characters, I'd say Moka has probably surpassed him by now (she was only unable to beat him because she had sacrificed a considerable portion of her blood to try and save Tsukune), and perhaps even Tsukune could beat him by himself nowadays, given he has a lot more control and strength than he used to, and we know he is MUCH faster than normal in his unleashed form, compared to the foes we've seen since, Kuyou just doesn't seem that strong anymore. Perhaps there will be Tsukune (UNKNOWN) = * entry if this is ever updated anywhere heh
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2010-04-07, 16:37 | Link #13553 | |
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Moka kicked a Phoenix in the face, I'm pretty sure she can 1HKO know-your-place Kuyou too. Anyone else notice that nobody's got a threat level #2? And what the hell, Jack Frost can FIGHT!?
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2010-04-07, 17:06 | Link #13554 | |
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Don't blame you, Im just commenting on what I've read, until we've read the thing its kinda hard to make any great statement.
Actually am I the only one who almost wishes when Tsukune peaks, there is like a time warp chapter/end of chapter extra, where he goes back and we see how he deals with all the old big bads, with his newly powered up hybrid form for a bit of revenge? Quote:
Another one that comes to mind that might be quite funny is Avril Lavigne's Girlfriend, from the PoV of one of the other girls (Kurumu/Mizore? The words seem quite appropriate hehe).
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2010-04-07, 18:58 | Link #13555 | |
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2010-04-07, 19:11 | Link #13556 |
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I was thinking of something....
Morigan and Lilith are sisters, yet Lilith is another part of Morigan which exist to be entirely a different personal(a loli that likes men) and in the end both of them are fused together. Probably something happened to Inner Moka and Momma needed to sacrifice her body to let her live, I could be wrong....
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2010-04-07, 19:26 | Link #13557 | |
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I think what you're suggesting is different from what happened to Morrigan and Lilith. The scenario you suggested is kinda like what happened to Musubi from Sekirei. Something happened to Musubi and Yume but Yume gave up her soul to keep Musubi alive. Now Yume exists inside Musubi but she comes out once in a while when Musubi gets really lovey-dovey with Minato. |
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2010-04-08, 01:31 | Link #13558 |
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The Guidebook was published in Dec 2008, according to Amazon Japan. I'm still looking for a copy in the states but haven't yet.
From what I could read of ch 29 (obviously not a ton), I don't think these questions about Moka's mom will be resolved in this chapter. Already waiting for ch 30... |
2010-04-08, 05:58 | Link #13559 |
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Yep, does sound like it from a translation summary I just read, although the summary did mention that they are shown together and look very similar, rather than the mum/daughter being the same person.
Looking forward to actually reading it myself though Sounds like the older sister is called Akua (Aqua) though continuing the drink/liquid naming scheme. I mean personally, rather than them being the same person, another plausible possibility is that Moka's mother was killed/banished when she was young because she would change Moka's perspective. Moka was recognised as being potentially the strongest of the children, and it could be that Moka's mum was more tolerant, or inclined towards peace/harmony between Humanity/Monsters. It may be a case of Daddy Starbucks and the older children were already signed up on the side of Fairy Tail, and because this attitude didn't gel well with thiers, or developing Moka into the character they wanted, and acted as an impediment, she was removed. The memories were sealed up within Moka so she would develop as expected and wouldn't become hostile/break away from the family. She was then sent to a human school where she was hated which could have been intended, to help mould her into someone willing to join up with them, afterall before she met Tsukune she hated humanity, it was only when he became her friend her opinion changed and she realised humans weren't as bad as she had thought. Now this viewpoint would mean Tsukune is not going to be popular, because he's ruined quite a few years of planning! Haha, seriously theres just as much evidence for this take on events as the O.M = mum thing, and Im not convinced either of them will happen!
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