2010-09-10, 11:57 | Link #17562 |
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It's そしてそこには、900tの爆薬も眠っているのです。
The explosion effects and crater are hardly influenced by the location of explosives, how and where the power is directed and so on. It's not like they are just dumped in one pile. They were set up by the bomb technicians during the war to cause the maximum damage. |
2010-09-10, 12:10 | Link #17565 | |
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Are you sure? For the depth of explosive located has a significant effect on the size of the crater, at least from the website I linked.
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2010-09-10, 12:29 | Link #17566 | |
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And I think in the end it won't matter and will become just a useless nit-picking, just like many other things. |
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2010-09-10, 13:22 | Link #17567 | |
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Unless the island is hollow in the first place, I find it difficult, even nigh impossible for the Rokkenjima bomb to be able to create a 1km wide crater. OR The crater is the existing evidence, and "900 tons explosives" is just an understatement of what actually blew up. OR The crater was nowhere near 1km wide, but an uncertain huge amount explosives did created that crater in the first place. edit: WAAAIT, that Nevada bomb was detonated under a desert! And it was a controlled explosion to test weapons! The terrain should absorb a lot of the shock force of the actual explosions. Rokkenjima, on the other hand, is a small island in the middle of the sea and should be full of igneous rocks or calcareous rocks, which are extremely brittle. Not to mention the speculated depth of the bomb isn't too deep underground, which actually is perfect to create craters. Yep, I stand corrected. I don't know if 900 tons of explosives can leave behind 1km crater behind, but I am not denying the possibility.
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Rokkenjima was not a submarine base. It is a secret gallery designed to house art and cultural artifacts acquired by the Japanese government from China and Taiwan during WW2. A wealthy man with ties to Taiwan, Kinzo was taken on as a structural engineer to design and operate the storage galleries in underground tunnels beneath a deserted Izu island which would be officially called a submarine rearming station. The actual storage was hidden deep in the bowels of the Rokkenjima cave system, at the "back" of the island, where the mansion would eventually be built. Kinzo was one of only a handful of personnel aware of the nature of this structure. The Italians were arriving specifically because the Rokkenjima base was designed for Axis art and artifact storage; the gold was intended for storage there, and HQ was not notified for this reason. Beatrice Castiglioni was either an art expert, the daughter of the same, or an object of art herself (such as a portrait). She inspired Kinzo to engineer the deaths of any witnesses and, eventually, to utilize the gold to build his empire. However, Kinzo eventually realized that all the objects stored in the caverns beneath the island carried far too much political and moral baggage to ever be revealed to anyone. If it was known that Japan was in possession of missing Taiwanese and Axis European artifacts, it could cause an international incident. (a threat to "world peace") Japan wired the island caverns for self-destruction in the event the Allied forces discovered it. They never did, but Kinzo left the explosives intact to protect them under similar auspices. The explosives are set up in such a way as to cause a full collapse of the underlying caverns, disrupting and destroying a huge land area 1km in size in a massive chained explosion and landslide. This would also bury or destroy the missing objects, so that they would never be located or uncovered. After the Rokkenjima Incident, it was discovered by a select few people or by Eva that the island stored massive numbers of cultural and political artifacts, now completely destroyed. Revealing this destruction would be disastrous to Japan's reputation and spark tensions with China. The matter was covered up and declared a huge accidental explosion (which was partially true) of unknown origin. Okonogi eventually found out about this, and worried that Ange might accidentally discover something at Kuwadorian which would lead to this truth being revealed. What? It's no crazier than any other insane theory.
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2010-09-10, 16:09 | Link #17570 | |
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2010-09-10, 16:11 | Link #17571 | |
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People can change their minds and recognize they're wrong. Kinzo shows a lot of remorse throughout the story! You can't prove he's not regretting all the things he's done to get where he is! EDIT: Also, Kinzo is dead, so we can't prove he ever wanted to blow up 17 people and all the objects. He never actually did, after all, somebody else did.
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2010-09-10, 23:22 | Link #17572 |
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While reading about the double-Shkannon theory and everything else posted over the last 10-20 pages, a thought came to me.
What if the reason Natsuhi didn't reject Lion in the particular universe of Ep 7 is because in that universe, Lion was born male. I don't know that it has many huge implications, but it makes sense. We know from previous episodes that Kinzo is a bit misogynistic, and I think it was even said that he would give the headship to a male over a female, regardless of seniority. Natsuhi and Krauss were already troubled by her inability to give birth, and with Eva/Hideyoshi sneaking up on them, if she wanted to produce an heir, it would need to be male to prevent Eva's and Hideyoshi's child from usurping her dream. In that situation, why would Natsuhi accept a stranger's daughter and claim her as her own? It puts her no closer to securing the headship than before, because Eva can still give birth to a boy, and then Natsuhi's not only lost, she's stuck with someone else's kid. Of course, we know that Kinzo would have gladly given the headship to Beatrice's offspring, gender be damned, but Natsuhi doesn't know that the child she's being offered is Kinzo's and Beatrice's. Without that knowledge, she has no reason to accept the child. And so we have the story as told in those two million (or whatever the number was) worlds where Natsuhi rejects Lion/Yasu. As a consequence, the issue of Lion's breasts flies out the window. I imagine this idea has other benefits, though I can't think of them just now. I've only recently been introduced to the double-Shkannon theory, and I like it much more than basic Shkannon, though I'm not as familiar with the details as I would like to be. As further evidence, we have the scene where Will asks about Lion's gender. He/she dances around it for a while, but in the end we don't get an answer. I don't remember precisely where it is in the chronology of the episode, but if it happens after Will proposes Lion = Beatrice, Lion might be suffering a bit of a gender crisis in addition to his identity crisis, which would explain his reluctance to reveal his gender. Also, my memory could be faulty regarding Kinzo's stance on the headship's inheritance, as it's been a while since I read the other episodes, but I don't think I'm too far off base here. Last edited by Insalubrious; 2010-09-10 at 23:43. Reason: Just saw the official spellings... |
2010-09-11, 00:54 | Link #17574 | |
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...I wonder if we should take that as evidence of a collapse after a deep underground explosion, rather than a near-surface blast. On the other hand, I don't actually know anything about explosives. Anybody else know whether that makes sense or not? Oliver?
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In Lion's world, the one who had the family give the Epitaph a try was Kinzo. Whereas, in Yasu's world, the one who instigated it was Yasu/Beatrice. This makes me wonder how does Battler fit into all of this, since he made no sin against Lion in his/her world, yet the murders took place. The idea I've arrived at is, as long as there's an incentive big enough to solve the Epitaph, it will be solved, and the murders will happen. In Lion's world, the incentive was becoming the new head (because, otherwise, Lion would). Of course, Battler has got nothing to do in that world. However, in Yasu's world Battler is one of the reasons behind the tragedy. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, because chances are high I may be, but I have the impression every single time a letter has been found, Battler has been there, hasn't he? So, as it has been proposed before, I believe the Epitaph and all these mysteries are just a challenge to Battler as a hint on Beatrice's true identity. Had Battler not being there, Yasu wouldn't have sent those letters, and the people in the island wouldn't have tried to solve the Epitaph, and no major incident would have happened. Quote:
But I wonder, though, what if the bomb (during EP7's Tea Party) is an illusion? I'm not saying it's not there, just that the illusion of a soon-to-explode bomb was used to get some reaction from the siblings. Of course, it's been confirmed there's been an explosion, and a large one to boot. So, this idea may not hold. Unless we say Yasu/Beatrice never planned on activating a bomb, just relying on the illusion, but then someone else activated it. Naturally, there's also the option Yasu/Beatrice kept the bomb active as the risk factor to enhance his/her magic. There may also be other reasons behind it. Quote:
All of them were covering for Yasu. I think a possibility would be Natsuhi assumed the child was a boy, because Kinzo gave it to her so that that child would become the new head of the family. We know Natsuhi never really took care of that child, and that the maids were the ones who did that. So, I wouldn't be surprised if Natsuhi never saw that child's naked body.
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2010-09-11, 02:30 | Link #17578 |
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But they don't pulverize human beings. The explosion we are dealing with is causing massive damage on the surface. As for the ejecta, it really depends on how big are the fragments thrown. If the explosion is concentrated enough the ejecta would be just dust.
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2010-09-11, 04:16 | Link #17579 |
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The explosion only needs to kill the people near it that way. And if the victims are localized to the primary blast area (wherever that is), it's possible that they were blown up while the external radius just collapsed.
It's not clear how many victims there were, and there was only one identification of any kind made. This opens up a few prospects:
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2010-09-11, 04:42 | Link #17580 | |
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The killing happening in Lion's world so far was only shown by the bully Bernkastel so I would doubt it's truth.
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