Karaoke Help thread

[dwigga]

Hey, It's me with my dumb problems again

Ok, lets say this's the effect that I want to create :
{\r\an5\t(0,160,\fscx90\fscy120)\t(160,320,\fscx10 0\fscy100)}Da

but what I want to achieve is making the text to grow in both up and down directions on the Y axis. I've tried using \an5 in the script, but this is positioning the hole line in the middle of the screen.
I hope you guys can understand me, because my eng. sux hard, and Im apologing for that.

[TheFluff]

Use \an5 and a \pos? \r doesn't reset \pos and \move.

[dwigga]

Yep. That is working just fine.It's not so hard to think of this, but my brain is totaly blocked now.
Anyway tnx a lot.

[nakiatala]

ok, what I want to do is to get the whole line to fade away slowly after the last syllable is sung. Here's the last syllable

{\fscy180\fscx180\alpha&HFFFFFF&\t(2189,4196,\fscy 120\fscx120\alpha&000000&\a8\3a&H000000&))}{\kf201 }go

I know its shadow 0 or something but I forgot how to write it or where in the line it would go. And I can't find my notes. Someone please...quick reference?

[ReAn]

Originally Posted by nakiatala

ok, what I want to do is to get the whole line to fade away slowly after the last syllable is sung. Here's the last syllable

{\fscy180\fscx180\alpha&HFFFFFF&\t(2189,4196,\fscy 120\fscx120\alpha&000000&\a8\3a&H000000&))}{\kf201 }go

I know its shadow 0 or something but I forgot how to write it or where in the line it would go. And I can't find my notes. Someone please...quick reference?

You want the entire line fo fade away after the final syllable?

Easy... hide your syllables thate are \k-timed, new line with the entire "line" of song in the style of your secondary. and fade it out w/ \fad

[nakiatala]

can you please give me an example of this? I swear my mind took a vacation right now. O_O

[ReAn]

Originally Posted by nakiatala

can you please give me an example of this? I swear my mind took a vacation right now. O_O

This is kind of a hack-job version of it, the smarter way would be to make a new style that mirrors your "Secondary" (or the style after it's been 'sung') but hey, it works.

Additionally, you could add an ivisible syllable @ the end which is say... 1 second long to sing ' ' (a space) or something and add the \fad(0,1000) @ the end, but that's sloppy and can cause some wierd stuff.

Dialogue: 0,0:00:01.25,0:00:02.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\k20}This {\k12}is {\k15}my {\k29}k-timed {\k24}line, {\k12}my {\k32}karaoke {\k26}effects
Dialogue: 0,0:00:02.95,0:00:03.95,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,{\fad(0,1000)\k0}This is my k-timed line, my karaoke effects

[nakiatala]

omg...duh! lol. Thanks for the help. Seeing it my brain clicked on again. :P And I can see what you mean by weird stuff.

again thanks for the quick response.

[ReAn]

Originally Posted by nakiatala

omg...duh! lol. Thanks for the help. Seeing it my brain clicked on again. :P And I can see what you mean by weird stuff.

again thanks for the quick response.

No problem, sometimes it's the little tricks like that that aren't so obvious, even tho they should be.

[nakiatala]

tell me about it. This is why i've spent a few days racking my brain over my latest problem. Didn't want to come right away here so I looked around and no one else seems to have had this happened to them. After countless different trial and errors I must ask for help again.

I finished timing the karaoke and everything for the kanji. But now when I plug it into virtual dub it'll show all the customized color, fonts and depths I want...but when I try to change the font size it won't change. It remains at 72 even though I change it to 36 or less. I used a different effect for the chorus and that one does show the font changes while the other effect won't. can someone tell me why? did I input something wrong? *btw, thanks for putting up with all my questions. This is turning out to be the hardest karaoke I've ever done.

example of the effects being used.

verse effect
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:46.04,0:00:51.09,*Default,,0000,0000,0000,Karaoke,{\org(100,50000)\fs50}{\frz0\t(0,371,\frz0.015\fs64\shad2)} 

chorus effect
Marked=0,0:00:51.24,0:00:54.14,*Default,,0000,0000,0000,Karaoke,{{\fscy180\fscx180\alpha&HFFFFFF&}F}{\fscy180\fscx180\alpha&HFFFFFF&\t(0,420,\fscy120\fscx120\alpha&000000&\a8\3a&H000000&)}

[Yuudai-kun]

verse effect
Dialogue: Marked=0,0:00:46.04,0:00:51.09,*Default,,0000,0000 ,0000,Karaoke,{\org(100,50000)\fs50}{\frz0\t(0,371 ,\frz0.015\fs64\shad2)}

I'm not an expert on karaoke, but you might want to change "\fs50" and "\fs64". \fs means Fontsize and is an override tag, so if you change the style it doesn't affect this line because you already used another command in the line itself.

That's why it worked in the chorus line, but not here.

[nakiatala]

O_O that solved it.

I stuck it in the first line and must've copied it into the rest when I didn't want it. I'm such an idiot. lol. That's what's so annoying about these things sometimes. you make one extra little line and it all goes to hell. lol. thanks for the help.

[jfs]

Hmm one or two things more on those lines nakiatala.

First, from the "Marked=0" part it's clear you're saving the file as an SSA4 format file, but you're using tags that aren't actually part of the SSA4 specification. While VSFilter renders it it's not correct of it to do so. Also you can define more complete styles if you use the ASS format instead, which actually allows the override tags you use.

Also look out for your use of { and } braces, you have some weird stuff in the second line that might show an additional "F}" in the rendered output. Aegisub's syntax highlighting will show the error clearly

[nakiatala]

hm,

that would explain why those same font size overide tags i still had in the romanization part didn't do the same thing.

but i always assumed that ASS simply refered to SSA v4.x

was I wrong?

And I haven't tried aegisub since i was just starting to get the hang of substation alpha. I was told that both are very similar so there was really no point in switching...its all just a matter of preference.

[chaos4ever]

ASS is essentially the same as SSA, with some added effects and functionality. Basic overrides are no different, save for \an positioning. There is a small difference in the syntax, like when you do the marked/layer field at the start of the line. in the styles section of the file, the way you specify color and alpha values for c1, c2, c3, and c4 in the styles field are also tweaked (and work), among other fields. there is .ass/.ssa documentation out there that indicates the difference and what is valid/not valid to use in .ssa and .ass files.

[jfs]

Uh, here's some examples of tags that are not specified in SSA v4:

\alpha \t \pos \move \frz

And a whole load more.

Those are ASS-only. It's just (still) that VSFilter doesn't really care about formats at all, it converts everything to ASS internally. You can stick ASS tags in eg. an SRT file and have them rendered.

But that's really beside the point... I suppose.


While some of the basic functions in Aegisub and Substation Alpha might be similar, Aegisub does so much more than I'd say they are overall very un-similar :3
For example, Substation Alpha does not: Load almost any sound file format (it only supports a small subset of PCM WAV), have any kind of video support, provide visual typesetting, have syntax highlighting in the text edit box, give you any scripting (which is almost vital in creating advanced karaoke effects) or allow arbitrary main window sizes.

[chaos4ever]

Originally Posted by jfs

Uh, here's some examples of tags that are not specified in SSA v4:

\alpha \t \pos \move \frz

And a whole load more.

Didn't TextSub let you do those overrides, or was it a hack of the specs?

[TheFluff]

Originally Posted by chaos4ever

Didn't TextSub let you do those overrides, or was it a hack of the specs?

Did you read what jfs wrote at all? TextSub = VSFilter = DirectVobSub. It's the same DLL. It converts everything to ASS internally, so because of some funky coding you can put ASS tags in everything it supports (including SRT and TTXT) and have them rendered in the output. This can sometimes give you really bizarre results (try \pos, \an, \k or animating stuff with \t in an SRT file for example) but it "works" (I remember Nicholi doing some testing with it back in the days just for lols). Anyway, to VSFilter it doesn't matter if your file is named .ssa or .ass, or which line/style syntax you use; all override tags work anyway (even though strictly speaking, a lot of tags don't exist in the pure SSA v4 spec). Using the ASS form is probably a better idea anyway though because it lets you specify more stuff in the style and has the layer parameter, which SSA lacks.

[Tofusensei]

Haha, I don't know about you, TheFluff, but some of the responses in this thread make me feel very old

[Jonouchi]

Yo minna~

I'm having a problem. Everytime I load the .ass karaoke file into VirtualDub and encode, the karaoke & video speed up somehow, and the audio stays the same. It's not the video, because the raw is fine. Can someone help? Thanks ^^

EDIT: It plays perfectly in Virtualdub/Aegisub preview, I've tried vsfilter.dll and textsub 2.23