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MushroomSamba · 2011-01-30, 19:02

You know, I always wondered why Goku didn't just use his instant transmission technique to teleport back to Kami's Tower and pick up more senzu beans. :P

ars89 · 2011-01-30, 19:05

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Originally Posted by MushroomSamba

You know, I always wondered why Goku didn't just use his instant transmission technique to teleport back to Kami's Tower and pick up more senzu beans. :P

probably because the senzu are usually made in batches, and probably the next batch isn't ready yet, the bag cell took was the remaining ones from the last batch

LuckyCat · 2011-01-30, 20:30

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Originally Posted by Shiroth

Easily the best part about this weeks episode was Furukawa Toshio's performance. He certainly put his all into the second half of this episode.

Yes, his delivery was nicely climactic. I also like the added (painted?) effects they gave to the same scene with 16 holding Cell. I'm sure that didn't happen in Z.

Vicious108 · 2011-01-31, 00:00

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Originally Posted by Shiosai

Yes, his delivery was nicely climactic. I also like the added (painted?) effects they gave to the same scene with 16 holding Cell. I'm sure that didn't happen in Z.

Yeah, that was nice. Sure helped the ending feel more "official" instead of the somewhat abrupt cutoff we get usually get in episodes that don't finish where the original DBZ one did.

Shiroth · 2011-01-31, 04:47

It's a shame we don't get more added like that. Sometimes the sudden endings just look so damn silly.

GDB · 2011-01-31, 12:55

I like how he says he's going to blow himself up, along with Cell, and everyone has this super shocked face of "My god... sacrificing yourself!?"

It seems they forgot that only Krillin should give any modicum of a damn about it. In fact, Trunks should be struggling to hold back a smile.

Vicious108 · 2011-01-31, 16:59

Heh, I have to admit, that string of reaction shots was pretty ridiculous and exaggerated. Had to hold back laughter there.

LuckyCat · 2011-01-31, 20:35

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Originally Posted by GDB

I like how he says he's going to blow himself up, along with Cell, and everyone has this super shocked face of "My god... sacrificing yourself!?"

It seems they forgot that only Krillin should give any modicum of a damn about it. In fact, Trunks should be struggling to hold back a smile.

Well, #16 is saying he's about to detonate a bomb powerful enough to destroy a planet-crushing monster. (In fact the next scene is them all bracing for impact)

Spoiler for Next episode stuff:

Shiroth · 2011-02-01, 04:57

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Very true, though i guess there's no better way for 16 to be destroyed for a plot point that'll be coming up in the next episode.

LuckyCat · 2011-02-05, 19:35

Episode 92! Just so nothing is spoiled...

Spoiler for 92 and the preview:

Vicious108 · 2011-02-05, 20:50

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Originally Posted by Shiosai

Episode 92! Just so nothing is spoiled...

Spoiler for 92 and the preview:

Looking forward to this. I didn't feel the tracks chosen for the previous transformation sequences captured the moments all that well, so maybe they finally got it right with this one, what with it being arguably the most memorable one and most loved by the fans.

Shiroth · 2011-02-06, 05:00

Personally i found the piece used in the episode after Goku went super saiyan in the opening episode flashback fit the best.

magnumcyclonex · 2011-02-06, 11:13

The transformation sequence was too short, unlike Goku's first transformation into Super Saiyan. But I did like Android 16's use of Satan's ego to make him throw long. Interestingly enough, today is Superbowl Day in the U.S.

Ahiru77 · 2011-02-06, 11:56

^ Well that just makes this a great day for all.

I loved Gohan's beautiful choir piece.

Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2011-02-06, 16:49

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Originally Posted by magnumcyclonex

The transformation sequence was too short

It was slightly shorter than the original version (by mere seconds only because they sped up the reaction shots of the Z fighters).

Interesting piece they used, although it's not quite as memorable as Unmei No Hi (just like we suspected).

Why did they keep in the filler of the Cell Jr. stopping Vegeta's Final Flash? It made absolutely no sense in the original version, so it should have been omitted here.

GDB · 2011-02-06, 17:29

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Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

Why did they keep in the filler of the Cell Jr. stopping Vegeta's Final Flash? It made absolutely no sense in the original version, so it should have been omitted here.

At least they didn't have him call it Final Flash this time, so one could at least say it was just some other quick-cast version of Final Flash, like what he used against Recoome way back.

Blackbeard D. Kuma · 2011-02-06, 17:49

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At least they didn't have him call it Final Flash this time, so one could at least say it was just some other quick-cast version of Final Flash, like what he used against Recoome way back.

You're thinking of the English dub; in the Japanese version he didn't call it Final Flash either.

And the blast he did on Recoome wasn't a Final Flash. If you look carefully you'll notice the posture in his hands was slightly different upon releasing the blast. I know you know this, but I'm just clarifying here since this is a misconception amongst some viewers.

MushroomSamba · 2011-02-06, 18:07

lol, could Cell and Reporter Guy count any slower? The suspense's killing me! XD

Vicious108 · 2011-02-06, 19:34

Great episode. I'd recently reread this particular chapter so I'd forgotten how different from the manga version of the events the fight against the Cell Jrs. is in the anime, but it was great nonetheless and one of the best animated episodes in Z and it shows here.

Keeping Vegeta's failed FF was indeed stupid, but oh well. But there were some other things that were also rather nonsensical, like Yamucha and Tenshinhan being able to manhandle a Cell Jr. like that, yet I still love that moment to death (yay for them being useful and true companions to Goku once again) so I can't complain too much. All in all, I really like this fight if only because it's the first time we get a semblance of an all out "war" since the Nappa fight I believe, instead of the usual honor-bound one on one duels. I also greatly enjoyed Piccolo's kickass performance, which was what he truly deserved and didn't get in the manga.

As for the big moment, it suffered from the same issues the previous transformation scenes have IMO. Inferior music to the original and a little too rushed (this one WAS also quick in the original though, unlike Trunks'). I understand the transformations are quite fast in the manga and they're trying to be more faithful to it here, but if there's one thing where padding makes the anime more epic, it's in those. So yeah, while Kai has definitely become the definitive version of animated DB, them transformation sequences are still better in Z tbqh. I also missed the chirping of the birds. =/

But still, while inferior (to the admittedly high standard that'd been set by Spirit vs Spirit) the music was still good and fitting enough, and Nozawa's scream was as heartfelt as ever even 18 years later. Props to her. So pretty good scene nonetheless, even if I don't like what Gohan becomes like as a result of it (personality-wise that is, SSJ2 at least looks damn cool).

Mr. Satan was awesome in this episode too and showed the first signs of the true bravery underneath his charlatan persona. And a great finale for #16's character of course, who was a pretty endearing side character.

This arc should be done by episode... 96, I guess? I think it's about time for them announce which timeslot or channel they're switching to already. >_>

FlareKnight · 2011-02-06, 20:04

Well at least Vegeta didn't say it was a Final Flash though from the posture you'd figure that's what he'd use. I can get wanting Vegeta to show off how annoyed he is being held back by that one opponent, but still it just makes one shake their head.

Also honestly I thought the music used for Gohan's transformation sucked. I'm not even saying compared to the original. Just not a fan of the tone they were going for. Considering this is a huge moment for Gohan could have given him some seriously good music. Vegeta's failed power-up against Freeza way back was far better than this.

2011-01-30, 19:02	Link #2921
MushroomSamba Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Jersey Age: 38	You know, I always wondered why Goku didn't just use his instant transmission technique to teleport back to Kami's Tower and pick up more senzu beans. :P __________________

2011-01-31, 04:47	Link #2925
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	It's a shame we don't get more added like that. Sometimes the sudden endings just look so damn silly. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2011-02-05, 19:35	Link #2930
LuckyCat Wise Kitty Cat Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego, CA	Episode 92! Just so nothing is spoiled... Spoiler for 92 and the preview: So there is a new track for Gohan's transformation and I don't think it's from the soundtrack. Pretty rad scene even if it's short; much better than Goku's super saiyan tranformation, I thought! The preview for 93 only showed Gohan taking on the juniors.

2011-02-06, 05:00	Link #2932
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	Personally i found the piece used in the episode after Goku went super saiyan in the opening episode flashback fit the best. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2011-02-06, 18:07	Link #2938
MushroomSamba Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Jersey Age: 38	lol, could Cell and Reporter Guy count any slower? The suspense's killing me! XD __________________

2011-01-31, 12:55	Link #2926
GDB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Age: 38	I like how he says he's going to blow himself up, along with Cell, and everyone has this super shocked face of "My god... sacrificing yourself!?" It seems they forgot that only Krillin should give any modicum of a damn about it. In fact, Trunks should be struggling to hold back a smile.

2011-01-31, 16:59	Link #2927
Vicious108 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007	Heh, I have to admit, that string of reaction shots was pretty ridiculous and exaggerated. Had to hold back laughter there.

2011-02-06, 11:13	Link #2933
magnumcyclonex Cyclone Magnum Join Date: Apr 2004	The transformation sequence was too short, unlike Goku's first transformation into Super Saiyan. But I did like Android 16's use of Satan's ego to make him throw long. Interestingly enough, today is Superbowl Day in the U.S.

2011-02-06, 11:56	Link #2934
Ahiru77 あひる Join Date: Feb 2007	^ Well that just makes this a great day for all. I loved Gohan's beautiful choir piece.

2011-02-06, 19:34	Link #2939
Vicious108 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007	Great episode. I'd recently reread this particular chapter so I'd forgotten how different from the manga version of the events the fight against the Cell Jrs. is in the anime, but it was great nonetheless and one of the best animated episodes in Z and it shows here. Keeping Vegeta's failed FF was indeed stupid, but oh well. But there were some other things that were also rather nonsensical, like Yamucha and Tenshinhan being able to manhandle a Cell Jr. like that, yet I still love that moment to death (yay for them being useful and true companions to Goku once again) so I can't complain too much. All in all, I really like this fight if only because it's the first time we get a semblance of an all out "war" since the Nappa fight I believe, instead of the usual honor-bound one on one duels. I also greatly enjoyed Piccolo's kickass performance, which was what he truly deserved and didn't get in the manga. As for the big moment, it suffered from the same issues the previous transformation scenes have IMO. Inferior music to the original and a little too rushed (this one WAS also quick in the original though, unlike Trunks'). I understand the transformations are quite fast in the manga and they're trying to be more faithful to it here, but if there's one thing where padding makes the anime more epic, it's in those. So yeah, while Kai has definitely become the definitive version of animated DB, them transformation sequences are still better in Z tbqh. I also missed the chirping of the birds. =/ But still, while inferior (to the admittedly high standard that'd been set by Spirit vs Spirit) the music was still good and fitting enough, and Nozawa's scream was as heartfelt as ever even 18 years later. Props to her. So pretty good scene nonetheless, even if I don't like what Gohan becomes like as a result of it (personality-wise that is, SSJ2 at least looks damn cool). Mr. Satan was awesome in this episode too and showed the first signs of the true bravery underneath his charlatan persona. And a great finale for #16's character of course, who was a pretty endearing side character. This arc should be done by episode... 96, I guess? I think it's about time for them announce which timeslot or channel they're switching to already. >_>

2011-02-06, 20:04	Link #2940
FlareKnight User of the "Fast Draw" Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada	Well at least Vegeta didn't say it was a Final Flash though from the posture you'd figure that's what he'd use. I can get wanting Vegeta to show off how annoyed he is being held back by that one opponent, but still it just makes one shake their head. Also honestly I thought the music used for Gohan's transformation sucked. I'm not even saying compared to the original. Just not a fan of the tone they were going for. Considering this is a huge moment for Gohan could have given him some seriously good music. Vegeta's failed power-up against Freeza way back was far better than this. __________________ Anime-Evo