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Originally Posted by Cael
'He goes by' is not the same as 'he is'. Even though it's very much accepted that he is in some way Madara, it's still not proven what exactly that is. We've seen before how Tobi bends the truth and sometimes straight up lies. Zetsu calls him Tobi, and since we don't yet know all the details regarding the outcome of Madara's fight with Shodai, I don't think Tobi should be referred to as Madara until it's poven. But that's just me.
Yes, he has shown the ability to use Izanagi, however I don't think he has used Izanagi outside of his fight with Konan that we have seen. As you said, he took damage from Torune, if he was using Izanagi this wouldn't have happened. Also he was moderately wounded in his fight against the fourth. Again Izanagi was not used, or this would have been prevented.
I agree except the part about mixing.
Apart from the rin'negan, I haven't seen anything to indicate he is getting stronger. He uses the same two moves and has been for at least the last 16 years. The real question is where did Zetsu come from? Too little is known about him to produce anything solid beyond speculation. Did he create Tobi or did Madara create Zetsu? And if so, both of them? Or just the white? I've read a number of theories and they're all interesting but nothing is concrete. What we do know is that Zetsu has two personalities, can become one with the earth and trees, can create clones, can 'record' what he sees for Tobi to 'view', and can drain peoples chakra. We also know Madara stole Hashirama's DNA but how was it used? What came first? The giant flower? Zetsu? Tobi? Again, all we can really do is speculate.
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I don't know if you guys watch the anime at the same time, but they just showed the chapter where Madara Uchiha has a conversation with Naruto/Kakashi/Yamato. They left out the part where Kakashi asks, "So you admit you're Uchiha Madara then?"
And we have seen Tobi use some advanced Sharingan techniques when he put Konnan in a Genjutsu that she'll die when she completes.
There is the point that people made that Madara claims to have obtained EMS from taking his brother's eyes but not seemingly having the ability to use EMS.
Here's my theory, take it for what it's worth:
Tobi is not Uchiha Madara. He is Izuna Uchiha. The reason he can't use EMS is because he doesn't have Madara Uchiha's eyes. The reason he has stock of collected Sharingan is because that's how he was able to get his vision/Sharingan capabilities back.
He knows of EMS because he gave his eyes to Madara. This is also why, when Itachi suggested that Madara took Izuna's eyes by force, Tobi argued that Izuna gave them willingly. He was confirming the story from his own accord. The coffin Kabuto pulled has Uchiha Madara's body and that's why Izuna immediately agreed to work with Kabuto. Not only would he not want his real identity revealed, but he would never want to fight even a zombie version of his own brother.
Izuna loved and believed in Madara so much, that it only makes sense for him to avenge his brother's death/carry his lineage. This is also why he doesn't show his face. If he really were Madara, he wouldn't hide his face, he would take pride in showing how he survived all these years. Hiding his face would only make sense tactically and to support his secrecy.
Space/time: Kakashi has someone else's Sharingan. Because of this, it's always activated and his MS allows the manipulation of space/time. I believe, because Tobi has someone else's Sharingan, that is why it is fully activated all the time and he's using the same Space/Time MS Kakashi uses, but he uses it on himself and he's fully developed it.
Either way, this is just my theory. No facts except what we've seen in the manga combined with deduction.
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