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Vexx · 2006-01-04, 15:04

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Originally Posted by MonkeyBrains

Just looking over the comic real quick, I was amazed at how different it was from the TV show. I know you had mentioned this yourself, mangatron, when you first talked about it, but I was still surprised to see it myself.

Most of the stories are completely different ... Very interesting.

Tsukuyomi Moon Phase manga has a very different "feel" than the anime as well. Though I have to say Canvas 2 seems to be the most re-arranged/changed I've seen since I started watching anime. But... I hope its not just because I've seen the anime before looking at the manga but the anime seems to be the superior product.
Hmmm, actually Negima was seriously changed from the manga as well ... but that was a trainwreck disaster from the animation quality to the change in production teams after ep 10 to the completely mangled ending.
The story arrangement in Canvas 2 has been really entertaining for me -- particularly by *not* starting off with hahaha silliness in the first two eps and then giving us the delightful Hagino as a breather.

MonkeyBrains · 2006-01-05, 12:19

I enjoy the anime version more as well. Mostly because there's more Kiri, and less generic harem anime stuff. I'll be curious if they have the same ending (or same end-pairing), even if they go about it differently. I have no idea how often manga's have different end-pairings than the corresponding anime version (if at all).

~~mangatron~~ · 2006-01-08, 13:53

Hmmm.....the pause in anime over the last 2 weeks must really have made us lax...

But episode 13 stunned me, to say the least...

Spoiler for episode 13:

And here I thought things would be easy....oh hey, here I'll sum this episode: Kiri, Shin and Hiroki. There's your triangle. And it was a real shame seeing Elise by herself, to think even when she was young....So we, out of the blue, without warning see Shin...err, we know him as Yanagi. Shin Yanagi. To say the truth, Shin was the better artist, Hiroki looked like he couldn't even hold the pencil....oddly enough scenery wise, but apparently Kiri wise, he seemingly got rid of artist block. The irony....anyways, thats when he drew Kiri. And that's why he stopped drawing, because Shin obviously saw the potential in that particular picture. Again the irony later that night after Hiroki drew out Kiri, Shin had a talk with Kiri, and of all the words Shin had to mention,...."Friends forever"....

Err, let's see, we're at eye-catch time....ah, wasn't that Canvas's nee-san....*moe*

Here we go, a more detailed, in depth look at Kiri's confession to Hiroki, we all know how that went, unfortunately we didn't see the most important part, Yanagi saw it all. But, Yanagi's reflex made him miss the next, most important part of all: Hiroki rejecting her. So, here we have it, this is what made the triangle broken before we all knew it: Hiroki knew, that Yanagi was getting it on with Kiri (we saw early on the two were very social), so Hiroki knew that he had to reject Kiri because he thinks Yanagi likes Kiri. Unfortunately, Kiri was the one left out of all this, she didn't know what Hiroki thought, and Yanagi, saw that Hiroki was actually good at drawing Kiri, thought that Hiroki liked Kiri, Hence that night Yanagi had a chat with Kiri, about being friends forever. You could say that Yanagi is the one who faulted the whole thing, it was laid out perfectly, Hiroki, reject Kiri so that Yanagi can have her. But Yanagi didn't hear him reject her, and he went and copied that picture of Kiri that Hiroki had drawn. Now Hiroki was devastated, he rejected Kiri so that Yanagi can have a chance at her, but Yanagi stabbed him in the back by copying his picture. And Kiri is unaware of all that....

This episode also showed a very sad side of Hiroki, more precisely his past, after seeing Yanagi get all the attention with his plagerized art. And Hiroki, given that long haired face of his, pretty much made the decision, to never draw again. So there you have it, Hiroki stopped drawing because Yanagi took a very important work from him. And after all Hiroki went to reject Kiri for him, I can see it now. If they are to make the end of this series the way I think they would, Hiroki will clear this whole thing up and finally reject Kiri in front of Yanagi, or at least have Yanagi know that he rejected her in the first place. But then that would conflict my whole idea, see Kiri has got to know who drew that picture of her, the true artist of that picture, and she can only go two ways when she finds out it's Hiroki, she can either like him more, or accept his rejection. So let's summ it up again, in a short way in case you guys didn't understand what I said. Hiroki knew that Yanagi liked Kiri, so he rejected Kiri. But Yanagi didn't know he rejected her so he went and copied Hiroki's artwork, probably thinking "you got Kiri, at least let me have her picture". And that's what started it all, Hiroki was too depressed to draw again, and he quit. Yanagi had his award ceremonies to attend, and Kiri...she was on the blunt end of it all, she didn't even know what the two guys were thinking, what the two of them had between them,....

Err back to ep 13, after the past of Hiroki folds up we see Yanagi meeting the then present Hiroki, " It's been awhile", with the whole big 4 in the vicinity: Hiroki, Elise, Kiri and the Yanagi. Episode 14 preview looks ot be more in depth look at the triangle, either both past and present, or, relive the past, but this time, Elise is in the picture.

Nice episode. Very very nice.....

MonkeyBrains · 2006-01-08, 18:01

Seems to match up with what I had posted about what happened in the game with respect to the history of the three. So I'll be curious which path it takes for a resolution.

Spoiler:

I look forward to seeing it myself (downloading now...). Thanks for the summary, mangatron. Next episode will probably be just as good, since it should show the beginnings of the present day ramifications of the past.

Xellos-_^ · 2006-01-08, 19:32

Hiroki would reject Kiri again only if this ends as a HirokiXElise ending. If it is a HirokoXKiri ending why would he reject her again?

Kaoru Chujo · 2006-01-08, 20:23

Ep13 makes it even clearer that this is the most emotionally deep "harem" anime I've ever seen. Transcends its genre.

Nice summary, mangatron...

Spoiler for ep13+:

~~mangatron~~ · 2006-01-08, 20:57

Heh, I've pretty much nerfed myself....

Spoiler for episode 13:

By the way, Tomoko is in the manga as well....

***relentlessflame*** · 2006-01-08, 21:50

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Originally Posted by Vexx

Though I have to say Canvas 2 seems to be the most re-arranged/changed I've seen since I started watching anime. But... I hope its not just because I've seen the anime before looking at the manga but the anime seems to be the superior product.

Well, as with nearly every show in this genre (Shuffle, Da Capo, you name it), they're both different variations on the game story (as you know). The manga and anime usually have no direct correlation. The rule about "the manga's better than the anime" only generally applies when the manga is the original source material (the whole rule is really just a variation of the old "the original is best" rule that applies to all entertainment). In this genre, the animes actually do tend to be more dynamic retellings, while the manga tends to be more fillerish/"extra". That's not to say the manga suck - they're certainly enjoyable - but they don't tend to get as much focus. Anyway, all that to say, that the anime is better than the manga doesn't surprise me much in this genre.

P.S. Will get back to the latest discussion when I finally get around to watching the episode.

zgmf-x19a · 2006-01-09, 18:05

Hiroki is way too nice
Yanagi is such a nice guy to backstab his best friend
I'm wondering why he did not tell the truth about it
Another question isnt there any previews of the upcoming episodes ?

tun · 2006-01-09, 18:42

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Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

Ep13 makes it even clearer that this is the most emotionally deep "harem" anime I've ever seen. Transcends its genre.

This change in nature for the series has me definitely surprised and pleased at the same time. When I first started watching this series, I didn't really feel like there was anything that made it stand out amongst the crowd. However, episode 13 just opened up a can of whoop ass on other harem animes. I will definitely be clinging onto this precious series till the bitter end.

Furudanuki · 2006-01-09, 19:53

I've always considered a "harem" anime to be one where there are three or (usually) more potential lovers pursuing the lead male/female. So, despite the abundance of female characters, Canvas 2 has never really seemed like a harem series to me at all. More like a couple of interconnected triangles.

Well, whatever you call it, Canvas 2 has been a fun ride thus far and I'm looking forward to seeing episode #13.

BTW, I asked this before, but I think it got lost in a flood of other messages. Can anyone who is familiar with the game or the manga tell me whether or not Hiroki and Hagino knew each other prior to him becoming the art club instructor? The relaxed way he interacts with her is so different from the more formal manner he shows with the other girls at the school that it is hard to believe they all met at the same time.

~~mangatron~~ · 2006-01-09, 20:05

I sometimes wonder....did you all actually think this series was harem at first? Seriously, that thought never crossed my mind.....it amazes me to, nearly everyone claimed Mahoraba to be harem and a Love Hina clone only in the end it was not even close to any of that....

The definition of Harem becomes so twisted these days

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For some reason, now...I don't want a Kiri X Hiroki ending....

Furudanuki · 2006-01-09, 20:31

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Originally Posted by mangatron

I sometimes wonder....did you all actually think this series was harem at first? <snip>

I knew absolutely nothing about Canvas 2 (or its predecessors) when I downloaded episode #1. Basically picked it out of the current torrents at random. So when I first saw the OP... Yes, I thought, "Hmmm, must be harem." And then seeing the ED for the first time? "Hmmm, must be ecchi harem." Fortunately I stuck with the series long enough to correct that impression.

BTW, based on the anime I've seen lately only the OP for Karin does a better job of giving a first-time viewer the wrong idea about the series than the ED for Canvas 2!

rooboy · 2006-01-09, 21:17

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Originally Posted by mangatron

The definition of Harem becomes so twisted these days

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It seemed like a harem series at first, in the sense that there were a lot of girls and one guy; however, like Lamune, it's pretty obvious early on that it's not actually a harem series at all. For me, to be a harem series it has to be pretty well established (as in, more than mentioned once in passing) that at least three heroines share a romantic interest in the male lead, and he has to reciprocate, at some level, those feelings. So, for me, Love Hina counts (Naru, Mutsumi, Shinobu and Motoko), Ai Yori Aoshi does not (Aoi and possibly Tina). Canvas 2 definitely does not. Canvas 2 is just a plain, old fashioned love triangle (which is used in most romances, not just anime/manga).

I agree that people tend to overuse the "harem" title.

BTW, love your new sig, Mangatron.

Tatiana Razajev · 2006-01-09, 21:30

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Originally Posted by rooboy666

I agree that people tend to overuse the "harem" title.

Sometimes I think the term "harem" should be done away with. It's reached the point where it's slapped on to any anime that has two or more Bishoujo in it. It's literally lost most of its meaning in the end. Either way it really doesn't matter to me if Canvas 2 is considered harem or not. I'm still going to keep watching it anyway. Since it's a pretty nice series so far. So I'm interested in seeing how it ends.

~~mangatron~~ · 2006-01-09, 21:32

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Originally Posted by rooboy666

It seemed like a harem series at first, in the sense that there were a lot of girls and one guy; however, like Lamune, it's pretty obvious early on that it's not actually a harem series at all. For me, to be a harem series it has to be pretty well established (as in, more than mentioned once in passing) that at least three heroines share a romantic interest in the male lead, and he has to reciprocate, at some level, those feelings. So, for me, Love Hina counts (Naru, Mutsumi, Shinobu and Motoko), Ai Yori Aoshi does not (Aoi and possibly Tina). Canvas 2 definitely does not. Canvas 2 is just a plain, old fashioned love triangle (which is used in most romances, not just anime/manga).

I agree that people tend to overuse the "harem" title.

BTW, love your new sig, Mangatron.

I like the way you think, and thats the same thing I've always thought. If there is at least 3 girls who like the guy, and the guy somewhat shows the same affection, therefore that is what really describes harem. Because, if there is 2 girls who love 1 guy, that is called a love triangle, and of course if there's one girl after 1 guy, that's called a relationship

Thanks, my sig melts my brain everytime, every post I make

Furudanuki, I'll get back to you later on the Hagino issue, right now I'm in portable mode (laptop) and my desktop has all the info I need to compile up with the big three merchandise (game, manga and anime). Although I could use my manga knowledge without my desktop, I prefer my 3 way attack

Vexx · 2006-01-10, 01:33

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Originally Posted by mangatron

I sometimes wonder....did you all actually think this series was harem at first? Seriously, that thought never crossed my mind.....it amazes me to, nearly everyone claimed Mahoraba to be harem and a Love Hina clone only in the end it was not even close to any of that....

The definition of Harem becomes so twisted these days

....

For some reason, now...I don't want a Kiri X Hiroki ending....

I did think it was a harem series at first but that lasted for exactly 3 episodes. By the end of Hagino's date, it was clear we had a triangle at most (with a few complications0 ... I've not read the manga.

Per Mahoraba: well, I'm not everyone --- Mahoraba I call a "false" harem --- the trick for Shiratori is to get all the "girls" to like him. Anyone who said it was like Love Hina has all the analytical skills of a seaslug..... It reminded me of an updated Maison Ikkoku with a twist on the innkeeper (and much funnier really, the residents of that inn were pretty annoying).

The "harem" anime reminds me a lot of an early 1960s Jerry Lewis movie called "The Ladies Man" ... he's the young male caretaker of a young woman's boarding house... each woman is a certain stereotype including the mysterious sultry one ... this sounding familiar? Worth a rent if you can find it.

Rooboy hits it pretty well... and I certainly agree with Furu about that the misleading Karin OP and Canvas 2 ED.

And despite the trend that I *should* be fond of "miss gothiness nyah" .... the indomitable Hagino tops my list .... the way she interacts with Hiroki is absolutely great... no fear and full speed ahead (loved the date research request in ep 3).

MonkeyBrains · 2006-01-10, 22:18

To me, a harem anime is one where there's usually only one guy, and every girl in the series fawns over him. Whether he returns the affections of one or more of them at any point rarely matters. Which is usually the basic plot of an H-game turned anime, it seems... Although Comic Party was definitely not like that. And so far, neither is Canvas 2. Just an ordinary love triangle. All the other female characters have their own things going on, which is a nice change.

Anyway, back to Canvas 2, I'm even less sure of which way the anime will go, Elis or Kiri. I had been thinking Kiri, because of the early episodes, but episode 13, I'm not sure anymore...

Spoiler:

In the earlier episodes, the acting-superintendent, Kiri, and Elis talked about how great a painter Hiroki was in High School.

Spoiler:

There's obviously still a lot left to be told.
Not to mention, the acting-superintendent hasn't really had an episode focusing on her. Usually, shows like this have at least one episode for each character.

rooboy · 2006-01-10, 23:33

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Originally Posted by Vexx

Per Mahoraba: well, I'm not everyone --- Mahoraba I call a "false" harem --- the trick for Shiratori is to get all the "girls" to like him. Anyone who said it was like Love Hina has all the analytical skills of a seaslug..... It reminded me of an updated Maison Ikkoku with a twist on the innkeeper (and much funnier really, the residents of that inn were pretty annoying).

Really? I think Mahoroba is the perfect "harem" as it consists of exactly one girl, so all fans are pleased.

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Originally Posted by Vexx

The "harem" anime reminds me a lot of an early 1960s Jerry Lewis movie called "The Ladies Man" ... he's the young male caretaker of a young woman's boarding house... each woman is a certain stereotype including the mysterious sultry one ... this sounding familiar? Worth a rent if you can find it.

I normally can't stand comedies, but I have got to find this. Vexx, you just made my whole week!

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Originally Posted by Vexx

Rooboy hits it pretty well... and I certainly agree with Furu about that the misleading Karin OP and Canvas 2 ED.

I have to say that the Karin OP and the Canvas 2 ED make me a little ... uncomfortable ... to watch (particularly Karin's OP, I usually skip past ED's anyway).

DanielSong39 · 2006-01-13, 03:51

Is it just my imagination, or am I seeing Sakura and Nemu fighting over the same guy all over again? Man, the resemblence is uncanny.

Elis looks like the stronger character at this point - though Card Captor Kiri has a very good chance. Let's see how this turns out.

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MonkeyBrains It's what's for dinner Join Date: Dec 2005	Seems to match up with what I had posted about what happened in the game with respect to the history of the three. So I'll be curious which path it takes for a resolution. Spoiler: Except that extra level of Yanagi seeing Kiri's confession. Hmmm. I'll have to replay the game and see if that was in there after all. It makes a certain amount of sense, though, in terms of the plagarism. I wonder how it will play out in terms of Hiroki/Kiri, because so far, Hiroki's seemed to be quite interested in Kiri and vice-versa, but is this a set up for how mangatron described it - Hiroki rejecting Kiri again with Yanagi knowing it? You mention the painting of Kiri... Kiri has a portait of herself that Hiroki did (it was shown in the night-festival episode), so I would think she knows something... And of course, Elise has to fit in it all somehow. I look forward to seeing it myself (downloading now...). Thanks for the summary, mangatron. Next episode will probably be just as good, since it should show the beginnings of the present day ramifications of the past.

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Xellos-_^ Not Enough Sleep Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: R'lyeh Age: 48	Hiroki would reject Kiri again only if this ends as a HirokiXElise ending. If it is a HirokoXKiri ending why would he reject her again? __________________

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Kaoru Chujo Yuuki Aoi Join Date: Jul 2004	Ep13 makes it even clearer that this is the most emotionally deep "harem" anime I've ever seen. Transcends its genre. Nice summary, mangatron... Spoiler for ep13+: ...but I just can't see Hiroki rejecting Kiri again. He hates Yanagi's guts. The only thing that can estrange him from Kiri is his insecurity and negativity. __________________ YUUKI Aoi 悠木碧. b92.03.27 (age 29). 2008 Kurenai (Murasaki). 2009 Yumeiro Pâtissière (Ichigo), Kiruminzuu (Riko), Yutori-chan (Yutori-chan). 2010 Vampire Bund (Mina Tepeş), Shiki (Sunako), Samurai Girls (Juubee), Pokémon: Black and White (Iris). 2011 Madoka Magica (Madoka), Gosick (Victorique), A-Channel (Tooru). 2012 Symphogear (Hibiki). 2014 Pilot's Love Song (Claire/Nina), Nanatsu no Taizai (Diane). 2015 Owari no Seraph (Krul Tepes), Rokka no Yuusha (Fremy). 2016 Boku no Hero Academia (Tsuyu, Froppy). 2017 Kino no Tabi (Kino). 2021 Kumo desu ga (watashi), Kaizoku Oujo (Karin), Heike Monogatari (Biwa), etc., etc. Total of 513 roles in anime and games.

2006-01-08, 20:57	Link #107
~~mangatron~~ worshipping the pantyhose Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Manila, Philippines	Heh, I've pretty much nerfed myself.... Spoiler for episode 13: the reason why I noted that Hiroki could re-reject Kiri, was the main point I was driving at is that somehow, someway Yanagi's gotta know what really transpired that day, and how much Yanagi screwed up. We see Hiroki was pretty much having a hard time drawing/painting, and to think that his friend Yanagi plageristically copied what I believe is Hiroki's best artistic piece. And I've reason to believe Hiroki only had the lineart done; Yanagi pretty much colored it in. But it's really confusing, ja....but it sorta fuels more speculation. Hiroki's first piece of Kiri was her in a flower field pretty much doing what every girl out there does and the painting Kiri had in episode 8 was of herself in the school uniform. Now, in episode 13 before Hiroki pretty much collapsed, he was working very hard and very intent on something. I have reason to believe that thing he was working on was, that episode 8 painting. of course, I'm not absolutely sure, despite all the anime knowledge I've amassed I am really stumped, just plain hit a brick wall and cannot predict how Canvas 2 can end, in a proper way. makes it all the more enjoyable, ja? Then again, Elise does play a major part in this triangle. I believe she does. She didn't have an impact the first time, and I think it's this second time that she must really act. I do notice the trend though, Kiri is much closer to Hiroki in the anime, Elise is much much more closer to Hiroki in the manga. Although I'm not sure how anything will go, I don't see the anime being the Kiri route, and the manga being the Elise route, I just don't see it that way..... Maybe I don't see it that way because I'm enjoying it all right now, or maybe I'm just so hilariously busy that my brain fry's just thinking about it ... By the way, Tomoko is in the manga as well....

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MonkeyBrains It's what's for dinner Join Date: Dec 2005	To me, a harem anime is one where there's usually only one guy, and every girl in the series fawns over him. Whether he returns the affections of one or more of them at any point rarely matters. Which is usually the basic plot of an H-game turned anime, it seems... Although Comic Party was definitely not like that. And so far, neither is Canvas 2. Just an ordinary love triangle. All the other female characters have their own things going on, which is a nice change. Anyway, back to Canvas 2, I'm even less sure of which way the anime will go, Elis or Kiri. I had been thinking Kiri, because of the early episodes, but episode 13, I'm not sure anymore... Spoiler: mainly because the picture Yanagi did, and that Hiroki was working on, was the exact picture that Hiroki paints at the end of the game in the Kiri path: Spoiler: Which makes me think they're saving this picture for last: Spoiler: They still have 13 episodes to go. I wonder if they'll resolve Kiri and Hiroki early or... In the earlier episodes, the acting-superintendent, Kiri, and Elis talked about how great a painter Hiroki was in High School. Spoiler: It's strange that during episode 13, in the flashback, it seemed like Hiroki was having such a hard time drawing. Must have been the contest (I can understand why he was having trouble after the plagarism). There's obviously still a lot left to be told. Not to mention, the acting-superintendent hasn't really had an episode focusing on her. Usually, shows like this have at least one episode for each character.

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MonkeyBrains It's what's for dinner Join Date: Dec 2005	I enjoy the anime version more as well. Mostly because there's more Kiri, and less generic harem anime stuff. I'll be curious if they have the same ending (or same end-pairing), even if they go about it differently. I have no idea how often manga's have different end-pairings than the corresponding anime version (if at all).

2006-01-08, 13:53	Link #103
~~mangatron~~ worshipping the pantyhose Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Manila, Philippines	Hmmm.....the pause in anime over the last 2 weeks must really have made us lax... But episode 13 stunned me, to say the least... Spoiler for episode 13: And here I thought things would be easy....oh hey, here I'll sum this episode: Kiri, Shin and Hiroki. There's your triangle. And it was a real shame seeing Elise by herself, to think even when she was young....So we, out of the blue, without warning see Shin...err, we know him as Yanagi. Shin Yanagi. To say the truth, Shin was the better artist, Hiroki looked like he couldn't even hold the pencil....oddly enough scenery wise, but apparently Kiri wise, he seemingly got rid of artist block. The irony....anyways, thats when he drew Kiri. And that's why he stopped drawing, because Shin obviously saw the potential in that particular picture. Again the irony later that night after Hiroki drew out Kiri, Shin had a talk with Kiri, and of all the words Shin had to mention,...."Friends forever".... Err, let's see, we're at eye-catch time....ah, wasn't that Canvas's nee-san....moe Here we go, a more detailed, in depth look at Kiri's confession to Hiroki, we all know how that went, unfortunately we didn't see the most important part, Yanagi saw it all. But, Yanagi's reflex made him miss the next, most important part of all: Hiroki rejecting her. So, here we have it, this is what made the triangle broken before we all knew it: Hiroki knew, that Yanagi was getting it on with Kiri (we saw early on the two were very social), so Hiroki knew that he had to reject Kiri because he thinks Yanagi likes Kiri. Unfortunately, Kiri was the one left out of all this, she didn't know what Hiroki thought, and Yanagi, saw that Hiroki was actually good at drawing Kiri, thought that Hiroki liked Kiri, Hence that night Yanagi had a chat with Kiri, about being friends forever. You could say that Yanagi is the one who faulted the whole thing, it was laid out perfectly, Hiroki, reject Kiri so that Yanagi can have her. But Yanagi didn't hear him reject her, and he went and copied that picture of Kiri that Hiroki had drawn. Now Hiroki was devastated, he rejected Kiri so that Yanagi can have a chance at her, but Yanagi stabbed him in the back by copying his picture. And Kiri is unaware of all that.... This episode also showed a very sad side of Hiroki, more precisely his past, after seeing Yanagi get all the attention with his plagerized art. And Hiroki, given that long haired face of his, pretty much made the decision, to never draw again. So there you have it, Hiroki stopped drawing because Yanagi took a very important work from him. And after all Hiroki went to reject Kiri for him, I can see it now. If they are to make the end of this series the way I think they would, Hiroki will clear this whole thing up and finally reject Kiri in front of Yanagi, or at least have Yanagi know that he rejected her in the first place. But then that would conflict my whole idea, see Kiri has got to know who drew that picture of her, the true artist of that picture, and she can only go two ways when she finds out it's Hiroki, she can either like him more, or accept his rejection. So let's summ it up again, in a short way in case you guys didn't understand what I said. Hiroki knew that Yanagi liked Kiri, so he rejected Kiri. But Yanagi didn't know he rejected her so he went and copied Hiroki's artwork, probably thinking "you got Kiri, at least let me have her picture". And that's what started it all, Hiroki was too depressed to draw again, and he quit. Yanagi had his award ceremonies to attend, and Kiri...she was on the blunt end of it all, she didn't even know what the two guys were thinking, what the two of them had between them,.... Err back to ep 13, after the past of Hiroki folds up we see Yanagi meeting the then present Hiroki, " It's been awhile", with the whole big 4 in the vicinity: Hiroki, Elise, Kiri and the Yanagi. Episode 14 preview looks ot be more in depth look at the triangle, either both past and present, or, relive the past, but this time, Elise is in the picture. Nice episode. Very very nice.....

2006-01-09, 18:05	Link #109
zgmf-x19a Divine Gundam Pilot Join Date: Dec 2005	Hiroki is way too nice Yanagi is such a nice guy to backstab his best friend I'm wondering why he did not tell the truth about it Another question isnt there any previews of the upcoming episodes ?

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Furudanuki Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: State of denial Age: 66	I've always considered a "harem" anime to be one where there are three or (usually) more potential lovers pursuing the lead male/female. So, despite the abundance of female characters, Canvas 2 has never really seemed like a harem series to me at all. More like a couple of interconnected triangles. Well, whatever you call it, Canvas 2 has been a fun ride thus far and I'm looking forward to seeing episode #13. BTW, I asked this before, but I think it got lost in a flood of other messages. Can anyone who is familiar with the game or the manga tell me whether or not Hiroki and Hagino knew each other prior to him becoming the art club instructor? The relaxed way he interacts with her is so different from the more formal manner he shows with the other girls at the school that it is hard to believe they all met at the same time.

2006-01-09, 20:05	Link #112
~~mangatron~~ worshipping the pantyhose Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Manila, Philippines	I sometimes wonder....did you all actually think this series was harem at first? Seriously, that thought never crossed my mind.....it amazes me to, nearly everyone claimed Mahoraba to be harem and a Love Hina clone only in the end it was not even close to any of that.... The definition of Harem becomes so twisted these days .... For some reason, now...I don't want a Kiri X Hiroki ending....

2006-01-13, 03:51	Link #120
DanielSong39 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Is this Canvas 2 or Da Capo? Is it just my imagination, or am I seeing Sakura and Nemu fighting over the same guy all over again? Man, the resemblence is uncanny. Elis looks like the stronger character at this point - though Card Captor Kiri has a very good chance. Let's see how this turns out.