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nah Id say hes mostly creative with his characters
tthough I do admit, I wish he'd give Kanzaki, Stiyl and Index(love all three of them) the same focus he gives Mikoto, Accel and Touma he obviously has the skills to do great things with them. Though, the relationship with Touma & Stiyl happens to be my favorite in the series. Their bond isn't in your face, but more underlying.
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I've not read/watched that, is it as descriptive in its narrative? I think that's an important point with this series, its very heavy in its descriptive narrative; to the extent that it can go on a bit at times. As the anime is built off of the novels everything will follow in the same way.
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And likewise if the other characters care about him, or why they care about him. Index is a prime example of this. So are others like Mikoto, who I sometimes question whether he even likes. Other cases such as Accelerator, Shiage and Mikoto (with her friends), you can sense the connection and relationships they have with those around them, they have depth. It makes the events they are involved in have more meaning. You know why they act in certain ways or why they are fighting. Touma doesn't, likely because he is spread out across so many people. This can lead to Touma sometimes feeling like a wheel out, plastic hero with shallow reasons for fighting. Maybe that's going a bit too far, but hopefully you understand what I'm getting at. Last edited by Fizix; 2014-12-13 at 13:55. Reason: Trying to clarify |
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2014-12-13, 13:54 | Link #345 |
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Horizon is ridiculously heavy on text, each of the books are 2-3 times the thickness of a regular LN.
The first two season only manages to cover the first 2 books (4 parts altogether). [delete off-topic] EDIT: But that is the point- why do you need some arbitrary reason to save someone? Are they not worth saving if you don't know them? Are they not worth saving because there isn't a reward? Do you not save people because they were deemed 'evil' ?
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In regards to whether people are worth saving, I think my post is put across badly, I was referring mainly to those who appear to be his friends or people he supposedly cares about. That's different to whether he should fight for someone. When he fights with or for those who he supposedly cares about then that should be palpable, it changes the context of the situation and adds something to it I think. |
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If I were to give a description to their relationships, Index-Touma-Mikoto, everything can be base around "Trust". [Delete Off-topic]
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I think its clearer with characters like Accelerator and Shiage as their respective casts are smaller, more time is given to each and therefore you get a better feel for them, their relationships and their place in the world. The characters feel more fleshed out and real for it. Spoiler for NT5? Not in the slightest bit serious, about character development:
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2014-12-13, 14:42 | Link #349 | |
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Despite his antagonism with Style, he trust him to watch after Index (vol 18), he shares his troubles with Tsuchimikado (SS1). Eh, honestly there's too much examples, but like I've said it's all the little gestures, I'll agree if you're saying there's little to no big emotional scenes between him and the recurring cast Like Index outside of their story arc, but I disagree that we know nothing about what he thinks.
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I think its literally down to the spread out cast not giving Touma consistent time with the characters, (which as a byproduct leaves certain good characters underdeveloped). I don't feel the relationships between the characters like I can with Accel and Shiage. |
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I do not think a person need a reason to help someone, yesterday I helped an old lady across the street and paid the passage of buses for an unknown, but what makes kamijou is totally different, he is willing to risk / throw away the own life to protect the smile of a stranger (especially if you're a girl with tears), how can you take seriously a character with a good life, and are willing to lose everything for others?
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Furthermore, they are trained to do what they do, it gives security, study and try to improve themselves, that training Touma do? when he at some point thought "I need to be stronger / improve my skills / to become smarter so I can help others"? Kamijou runs blindly, without purpose, preparation, or reason, and yet in the end manages to save the day and the girl with 100% accuracy, well, there was the case of OT vol 2, but that loss never affected him, as if it never happened, with the way Kamachi treats this volume, look it never existed, the most important thing that happened in it (dragon) was passed to Railgun. Last edited by LG-MAX 2.o; 2014-12-13 at 17:03. |
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police, teachers, firefighters, lifeguards, military, etc. There are many professions where someone skittish a life and those professions do not make the rich person, but they do not do something like this without preparation / blindly or without receiving anything in return. (money, benefits, promotions, personal satisfaction, willingness to grow in life and gives a better life for their family, some trauma that someone has suffered in the past and do not want others to suffer, adrenaline, etc. where Kamijou falls? |
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for the rest, it is difficult to have a discussion when there is nothing in your argument that denies my point of view. I'm just saying that it is difficult to take seriously a character who risks something as important as life itself by unknown without a real reason besides protecting smiles (preferably women, I wonder if one day some villain will realize that all they need is to ask help for Touma with tears in eyes, even if Touma does not help, this should cause a short circuit in his brain.), but well, that's something to ordinary people, we are now talking about Kamijou Touman, "one who is protected by the gods", then, I think he can do what he wants, if he fails the gods will arrange everything so that he has not "unnecessary changes." ps: talking about the beatings, after which Acqua and Silvia did to him, and he still walks normally and has no sequels to disrupt daily life, etc, so I do not care much, since he can still save people even after that. |
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really its hard to take a character seriously just because they like to protect others? =_=
even in real life people like that exist. i'm just saying. you either have a bleak view in reality or blind to reality. they might be hard to take seriously at first but they exist and when you see it in action. you will know.
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Someone you met a few minutes and has no obligation = this story needs to be better developed. |
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