2010-12-03, 18:37 | Link #10341 | |
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I'll have to reconsider Assange's stance because that's just going too far now. I am all for freedom of speech and I stand by what I said earlier about revealing documents badmouthing other countries (which were things everyone already knew to begin with locally: all the more reason not to keep it a secret in the US). But this is an example like the one I mentioned before: plans for a new weapons system for the defense of the country. Granted, the article presents something completely differently but equally important, and that was wrong. There are secrets that really are meant to be kept secrets and it looks to me like Assange doesn't know the difference between the two. |
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2010-12-03, 18:47 | Link #10342 | |
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but the number of cables i've personally learned about has been next to nothing compared to the total number of what has been or will be released, and i'm hardly an expert on most of these topics being discussed even in those other articles that i did see. and i doubt the people behind WikiLeaks are experts on every single subject to the point where they can detect these situations all the time and avoid releasing them if it places people at risk. they did, after all, miss this one. i've brought one example. there may well be thousands like it in those documents.
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2010-12-03, 18:51 | Link #10343 | |
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What I find most ingenious about the power to redefine the context of freedom of speech, is that most people will side with the mighty. This shows how well the indoctrination actually works, peer oppinion/pressure overrides factual thinking. The evaluation of complex matters is done by outsourcing critical thinking into the hands of those who can explain the world in easy words and make us feel important/relevant/understood.
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2010-12-03, 18:54 | Link #10344 | |
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1. They're just releasing any and all classified US documents on the net for everyone to see without actually reading them thoroughly. 2. They're being given documents to release by the people behind the scenes of the government and they're making a public show to make him look like a bad guy so that they can get away with it. This is to distract the gullible public from things that are really occuring. Either way, he's being rather reckless with the info he has in his hands. |
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2010-12-03, 19:03 | Link #10345 |
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Members of the South Lebanon Army that were captured (by Hezbollah) after Israel pulled out from occupying the south were tried by the Lebanese government. The Hezbollah just handed them over to Lebanese Army, and there are no records of executions. How is this any different?
And if he ends up in a Lebanese jail or in a court martial then he does diserve it. Lebanon is still officially in a state of war with Israel. |
2010-12-03, 19:07 | Link #10346 |
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It mights be true that there are some bad thing about wikileak but overall wikileaks is a good thing and must not disappear. Wikileak is a good thing simply because it makes governments lose their control and their power over informations and so over peoples. In our actual society controlling informations is what make you powerful. Wikileaks by doing what they do is saying that governments can't do what they want as they please. There is now a new force who is here to tell them "No you can't do what you want because we're here". That's why it's a good thing. So even if there is maybe some mistakes which are maybe dangerous, overall, I'm all for wikileak.
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2010-12-03, 19:21 | Link #10347 | |
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When you really think about it, a lot of the stuff on wikileaks is stuff people already knew: Berlusconi is described as vain and ineffective in the classified reports. As if we Italians didn't already know about that. I'm sure there's plenty of other useless info in there like that. We don't need to rely on other people to be free. Someone does need to say that governments can't do as they please, that is true, but there are some things best left in the dark. |
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2010-12-03, 19:32 | Link #10348 | |
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2010-12-03, 19:39 | Link #10349 | |
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And actually it's not that easy. You can't be free by yourself since the actual society don't want you to be free. There is no real freedom (and by freedom I don't mean "do what you want like killing people and all" of course) because the actual society impose you a way of living even if you don't like it. |
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2010-12-03, 19:54 | Link #10350 |
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The ROKMC is one of those groups that gets things done. In Vietnam, the US Navy river patrols knew that if the ROKMC was on their flank, they didn't need to worry about that flank.
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2010-12-03, 20:37 | Link #10351 | |||
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Reckless endangerment and unlawful provocation - This doesn't exist under the UN charter nor any legal premise. When it comes to putting lives at stake, it is only in three forms : Assault, Murder, Manslaughter. Vandalism - The Internet is a free place. To vandalise something is to cause damage to something that does not belong to you. How is that even vandalism? Slander - If there is no challenge to a claim and there is evidence from one side to support the other, it isn't slander. Theft of intellectual property - Information is free. If you consolidate it into a product (a book) THEN you get rights to IP. If it is just by itself it isn't - and secret documents don't count since they have not been recognised as existent by the general public, that is why it is SECRET in the first place! illegally publishing another persons work without their express permission to do so. - The work has not been claimed by a specific individual. As abovementioned, technically these works are not been recognised to exist, so how can something that does not exist belong to anyone? I would like to see the dumb lawyer trying to fight the case, there is nothing to win from it, and if the site is brought down, it would still go underground; information trafficking has been around for ages, and it is just that the dirty-doers just don't want to recognise it and the general public is too retarded to look for these unique pieces of information elsewhere. Quote:
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It is the control of information that is really sick - if anyone of you read wikipedia you'd be disgusted at how weaselly written it is for most articles.
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2010-12-03, 22:22 | Link #10352 | |
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UN, stop believing otherwise. Or trying to tell us that. I hate it when the self-righteous UN (in actuality, controlled by the founding members of the EU, the Scandic nations and the US) breathes down our throats.
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2010-12-03, 23:05 | Link #10353 |
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Abbas says may dissolve PA if no peace deal
http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNew...6B26EW20101203 Probably it's just some big talk but...
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since then, Hezbollah has been responsible for the murder of the Lebanese PM because he was championing an end to Syrian occupation. and actually conquered Beirut for a short time in 2008, because the official Lebanese government wanted to disconnect the groups secret communication lines. and today, are openly threatening to overthrow the government if they are charged with the aforementioned murder of the PM. saying that he deserves it because Lebanon is still in state of war with Israel is completely missing the changes that Lebanon has undergone in the past decade. today, Hezbollah could legitimately be called a greater threat to Lebanon then Israel is in practical terms. Quote:
they would never give up on the worlds largest donation gathering cash cow. and they would never give up power once attained. especially since they will never regain it in the state they are today. @SaintessHeart my point was, that if the government of Switzerland wanted to ban them, they will find an excuse to do so.
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2010-12-04, 06:13 | Link #10356 |
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Mexican army parades 14-year-old suspect in drug cartel assassinations
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1824318/
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Meh. There are soldiers younger than that in war-torn regions. And, at the other end of the spectrum, some kid once tried to contract a hit against an X-Box. |
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Granted, but assassinations tend to be more personal compared to a battlefield. You're the only one doing the killing and no one to really support you if you were in this kid's position. Young soldiers tend to be working with a group of other kids so it's easier to support each other in such an environment. Now I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that soldiers and assassins are completely different. |
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