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Kimi ni Todoke used bubbles. Hakuoki had snow flakes falling so that it reminded the female protag of sakura pedals around the flowing hair of the male protag. *A "money shot" for that episode.* So I now bet on the sakura pedals or bubbles as the indicator of the love interest for the title. Besides, that scene screamed "money shot". Not going to waste time and money on something like that unless it's important.
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2011-11-11, 22:36 | Link #463 | |
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So I think a lack of originality is actually the very point of the show. It is an acutely traditional, deliberately conservative anime. But, like you, I find that this lack of originality has aesthetic repercussions. I can understand the characters (or some of them) as vehicles to cultural traditions, or even as in part expressions of the same. So why do I feel that this show is so fresh and interesting? Unlike you, I really don't get what makes this show so good. Quote:
I don't think this makes sense on an individual level, or on an American individual level. People go on; no one expects to have the same friends in adulthood as in childhood. But this is still what Chihaya wants, and what the show offers, and so we have to make sense of it. Perhaps Chihaya's desire to maintain her past into the present is best understood as a general cultural allegory. By holding onto cultural memories and traditions, the show is saying, we make it possible for all of us to stay together as Japanese today. Or, from an individual point of view: by cherishing my childhood memories and friends (especially those bound up with traditional cultural forms such as karuta), I find a place for myself in the modern world as a distinctively Japanese person. However we account for Chihaya's motives, this is what she is doing, and what the show I think is ultimately about. Your discussion of Chihaya's competitiveness, the "tension between expectation and temperament," and the changing role of "winning" in the main characters' lives is typically brilliant of you, Dawnstorm. Just a few very minor side comments. I expect Chihaya's family to become an object of satire. All their fussing about the sister, all the schoolmates' fascination with the sister's minor celebrityhood, is all going to be upstaged when Chihaya becomes a world-class karuta player. So I don't see the sister as a role model--to the contrary, she is an easy target in the show's critique of modernity. When you say that "[c]ompetition is a pre-fabricated type of interaction," you indicate that games are cultural artifacts, loci of traditions. That is why this traditionalist show chooses a game as its focus. I really want to think about this point: "[w]hat it means to 'win' is entirely different." I had one of those "yes of course" moments as soon as I read that. I'll probably bring it in in later posts once I've worked it out in my head. I appreciate your uncertainty apropos Arata: he is defined so much in terms of karuta, we hardly know what to think of him in the situation where he has put it aside. In a way, his decision is admirable: where family and game come into conflict, he chooses family over the game. Karuta is hardly the only thing, and never the main thing in this anime. That is why I say this is a show about traditional Japanese values: Arata's dedication to his grandfather's memory is exemplary of traditional social attitudes, of respect toward elders and family and so on. But who Arata is outside all this I have no idea. Like you, I find him an enigma. When you say that Chihaya, Taichi, and Arata make their friendship "contingent upon karuta," you recognize how very peculiar that is? Should not a real friendship extend itself outwards, to include other aspects of each others' lives? One has to ask: would they even be friends at all without karuta? But let's put it differently: they are not friends due to karuta, but really due to the efforts each of them make to remain connected to each other. Taichi has to make the effort to stay with Chihaya, despite his relative disinterest in the game. Arata has to get over his despair and get on the bike and go chasing the train. And Chihaya has to get on the train to go to Arata's hometown, since she knows if she does not, her friendship with him will be over. Their feelings are genuine, even if the vocabulary in which they express it is restricted to karuta. I suppose we are supposed to understand that the world in miniature exists within karuta, so that if they push deep enough in, they will gather everything in essence everything that is also outside karuta. Karuta is an analogue, not a synecdoche, for life. Quote:
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As usual, you overwhelm me Dawnstorm. Please forgive me if I pass over in silence all the other interesting things you wrote. Quote:
I agree that Chihaya's feelings are not particularly motherly. They are however essentially social and integrative in character. You will remember that the anime begins with the young Chihaya's efforts to include Arata, in defiance of her classmates who have sent him to Coventry. Although such instincts are not intrinsically feminine, they tend to be assigned to female gender roles. It is a real question whether passion is consistent with social impulses. Dawnstorm makes excellent points that Chihaya's impulsiveness makes her break social rules and fractures social cohesion. And if, by her passion, Chihaya creates a community of karuta players, will not that group find itself outside a general social community? Passion seems to me a highly equivocal motor for a social engine. The various sociological models I can think of usually talk in terms of subordinating passions to social goals--ie what it means to "civilize' or to "socialize' someone... Quote:
But she is a very solitary figure, isn't she? Certainly at home, where she is ignored by her parents. And at school, too, where her passion for karuta makes her an outsider. The beuaty-in-vain in the club-in-vain...We don't really see this in the anime, since the focus is on Chihaya when she is involved with people. But I think you are right: this solitary experience is what is left out in the show's jump from elementary to high school. Quote:
However, the things Chihaya loves are themselves transformed by the intensity of that passion. Karuta becomes special to us viewers, as a reflection of Chihaya's passion. Likewise, Kana. As regards to Taichi, some of the characterization problems posters on this board are having lie in the fact that he is at a remove from this passion, buoyed up by Chihaya's, as Dawnstorm points out, but with none of his own. So there is a dialectic between Chihaya's passion and its objects. What burns into incandescence thereby proves its own value. And likewise what does not. In the end, the show defines its own values by this difference. I don't think there is a deeper explanation as to why karuta is the focus of her attention. Karuta works to allow the show to celebrate traditional Japanese cultural values. As another poster pointed out much earlier, go would have worked just as well. ******* OK, that's it. No more edits! Last edited by hyperborealis; 2011-11-13 at 19:23. Reason: drowning in ideas |
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2011-11-13, 13:07 | Link #467 | |
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A lot of teachers in my opinion do not do a good job of explaining the meaning behind something or the context of the time period and hence lose their students interest. Kana was most likely a better teacher than Chihaya's real teacher.
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2011-11-14, 01:57 | Link #469 | |
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It's not entirely teachers' fault. They are paid to teach you what you are suppose to know. Understanding the context of poem, you are not getting any benefit. You are not gaining money making skill. With the limited time, it's better to put your focus in other field. It's like playing chess without need to learn the history and function. The learning of context is for hobbyists. Instead of Pro, hobbyists are people with the motivation to learn the context. It doesn't necessary improve their skills, but they gain the reward in satisfaction.
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Most poker players probably don't know the historical meanings of playing cards. Chihaya knew some of the surface meanings, but she was never interested in delving into the nitty gritty details about the poems.
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2011-11-14, 04:50 | Link #473 |
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I don't find it particularly unusual for Chihaya to not know much about the poems themselves even after playing for 3 years. In fact, me and several of my friends played Magic: The Gathering for several years, flinging Urza's towers and Phyrexians around, commenting on the odd flavor text here and there, without really learning about the lore. Admittedly though, it was always the game over the setting. Nowadays though, having long quit Magic, it's only the lore that I'm interested in.
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2011-11-14, 13:48 | Link #474 |
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Chihaya doesn't see karuta in a dull way at all. It's an interesting parallel: Chihaya is all about the gameplay in karuta and ignored the hundred poems for the most part while Kanade is drawn to the poems but had little interest in karuta. Their progress in looking at the game from the other's point of view also represents how the audience starts to look at the game in different ways.
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2011-11-14, 14:32 | Link #475 |
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I'm really enjoying this show, but somehow I just can't get behind the way Chihaya looks : She's way too good looking based on her character. Why does she have to look like a model ? I doubt a tomboy constantly obsessed with karuta would find time to take such good care of her looks.
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The nature of competition is just that compelling.
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2011-11-15, 00:01 | Link #477 | |
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According to a Japanese women's magazine, there are two types of beauty. The first type do everything right. The second type is called mudabijin, or wasteful beautiful. The second type lacks the maintenance. This statement may be the promotion for manicure. However, it makes a point: Every woman can look beautiful if she spends time to make over. To her fellow students, and Taichi, she is known as mudabijin. They recognizes her as a nature born beauty, but she's turning them off. plaza.rakuten.co.jp/kireidou/diary/201008040000/ newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.arts.anime.misc/2011-1/msg00059.html
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2011-11-15, 01:29 | Link #479 |
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In universe, probably nothing: Chihaya wears whatever she feels like wearing. Out of universe, it's to contrast Kanade the traditionalist with Chihaya the single-minded karuta freak. Visual cues to reinforce the dialogue and so on.
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