YouTube ethics

[SpiderBraids]

I'm sick and tired of YouTubers deliberately overloading their vid descriptions with words that have nothing to do with the video at hand. When I search for clips, I sometimes find tons of clips that have nothing to do with what I want, but happen to have the keywords in their frivolous "This video has nothing to do with" lists. If you want to get people to watch your video, why not just do it honestly? (And if the YouTube TPTB can delete videos for being illegal, why not edit descriptions to not trick the search engine?)

Of course, there's also the issue of putting stuff that is ABSO-BLOODY-LUTELY illegal. I can understand putting up short isolated clips and stuff, but putting like whole episodes of your favorite TV show? It just doesn't make sense. (In fact, I do recall one of my online friends saying that she doesn't go to YouTube because of this... although the fact she has a dial-up connection also might factor in, too.)

I will go on the record to say that I do neither of these. Ethical all the way!

[Epyon9283]

Yeah people uploading clips or whole episodes of TV shows is probably why Viacom is suing Google/Youtube for $1,000,000,000.

[Ending]

Don't care is it legal or not and, frankly, neither should you start yelling "WAAAREZ!" every time there is something potentially copyrighted. Even if it is blatantly so. It's not your job to enforce the law and I'm sure alliances like RIAA and MPAA are more than willing to do their part.

If everything copyrighted was courteysly removed from the net, you would be staring at blank pages for the most part. Oh, and I hereby declare this post copyrighted by me. Anyone quoting or moderating it without my explicit and written consent WILL be sued for breaches in my immaterial rights. I.e: the site will be shut down, owners sued for cash, and visitors directed to my monopolized shop of "YouTube Ethics."

As to the search-spam, the same happens with webpages. Just try searching for "Porn" -I can guarantee that you will end up to one of the million membership sites no matter which search-engine you use. Naturally the same smart-asses will do the same on YouTube and the like. Personally, I would like to see the blatant spam removed and their creators banned for good.

[WanderingKnight]

Originally Posted by SpiderBraids

Ethical all the way!

Yay, let's sue fansubbers, too.

[SiL Eighty]

Bleh if only i could have a penny for every time something was pirated on the web.... I'd be richer than Bill Gates!

Oh and youtube is the shit! The sheer amount of random shit on there provides hours of entertainment ^_^

[SpiderBraids]

Originally Posted by Wordplay

If everything copyrighted was courteysly removed from the net, you would be staring at blank pages for the most part. Oh, and I hereby declare this post copyrighted by me. Anyone quoting or moderating it without my explicit and written consent WILL be sued for breaches in my immaterial rights. I.e: the site will be shut down, owners sued for cash, and visitors directed to my monopolized shop of "YouTube Ethics."

HEH

(And I've gotten into problems for quoting posts without permission, too. For some reason, "they" equate it to plagiarism. )

[Aoie_Emesai]

Originally Posted by Epyon9283

Yeah people uploading clips or whole episodes of TV shows is probably why Viacom is suing Google/Youtube for $1,000,000,000.

Complete Terms and Condition if disagree.

Even though it's not directly contributed by them, they are hosting it. But youtube and google video do have mods. And they are there to remove any illegal movies that would be illegal on those video sites. (wouldn't it be extremely tough to remove(and find) the tons of movies that are uploaded daily?) I suppose they can use key words like Family Guy, Stargate and other already licensed shows/movies. (also don't forget, anything contributed on UT is their property, but you bear the consequence. It's like a double edge sword)

SpiderBraids - Youtube is almost an anonymous board where users can post anything and everything they can get their hands on. And of course i've noticed that there are illegal clips/movies that shouldn't be on youtube. Many clips slips by that site and goes unnoticed for days to many weeks, if they ever catch on to it.

Also the naming and description are done by the users not by UT, so UT isn't responsible for their name and descriptions. Terms and condition says that the users has the responsibility for their submissions to youtube, and they have obtain the proper & necessary licenses, rights, consents, and permissions to use and authorize that submission. I really doubt many people have the proper rights to do it if they are submitting an illegal clip of Family Guy.

**--Terms and Condition of Youtube --**

Spoiler:

4. Intellectual Property Rights

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5. User Submissions

A. The YouTube Website may now or in the future permit the submission of videos or other communications submitted by you and other users ("User Submissions") and the hosting, sharing, and/or publishing of such User Submissions. You understand that whether or not such User Submissions are published, YouTube does not guarantee any confidentiality with respect to any submissions.

B. You shall be solely responsible for your own User Submissions and the consequences of posting or publishing them. In connection with User Submissions, you affirm, represent, and/or warrant that: (i) you own or have the necessary licenses, rights, consents, and permissions to use and authorize YouTube to use all patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights in and to any and all User Submissions to enable inclusion and use of the User Submissions in the manner contemplated by the Website and these Terms of Service; and (ii) you have the written consent, release, and/or permission of each and every identifiable individual person in the User Submission to use the name or likeness of each and every such identifiable individual person to enable inclusion and use of the User Submissions in the manner contemplated by the Website and these Terms of Service. For clarity, you retain all of your ownership rights in your User Submissions. However, by submitting the User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its successor's) business, including without limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media formats and through any media channels. You also hereby grant each user of the YouTube Website a non-exclusive license to access your User Submissions through the Website, and to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative works of, display and perform such User Submissions as permitted through the functionality of the Website and under these Terms of Service. The foregoing license granted by you terminates once you remove or delete a User Submission from the YouTube Website.

ps: Is this in response to the dolphin massacre clip you saw? Or do you just dislike Youtube fun?

[SpiderBraids]

Originally Posted by Aoie_Emesai

ps: Is this in response to the dolphin massacre clip you saw? Or do you just dislike Youtube fun?

I never saw the massacre clip. And (small voice) I do watch fansubs at YT.

Okay, I'll go hang my head in shame now...

[Sazelyt]

Originally Posted by SpiderBraids

Of course, there's also the issue of putting stuff that is ABSO-BLOODY-LUTELY illegal. I can understand putting up short isolated clips and stuff, but putting like whole episodes of your favorite TV show? It just doesn't make sense.

If the authorities would decide to sit down and count down the number of illegal videos, it is completely possible that they might even reach a ratio around 0.9 (considering that even posting guitar tabs of a song is considered illegal, imagine the ones that play other's songs or sing other songs in their clips, that also includes preparing videos that include copyrighted images, etc). Also, there is no less illegal or more illegal, as long as it is illegal, it is illegal. And, I doubt, anyone here who downloads the animes freely on the web, would have a right to be able to criticize that content fairly.

(on a side note, I don't really care about this a lot, especially if the site does indirectly encourage you to do so: how, not banning ips of users that posted such videos, trying to keep the removal on a needly basis, not starting right ahead implementing automatic removal systems, which is already available, etc.). I am sure, youtube (and the buyer google) did never have the intention of forcing the removal of such videos, instead, using the power of the site, they wanted the companies to accept the current conditions, and availability of such videos.

[silverwolf]

father i have sin... hum i just get anime from youtube but if it dos close down were cood i get more ...
plz dont tell me ebay...or anime store ...
o and other note; hate the game not the player

[WanderingKnight]

I never saw the massacre clip. And (small voice) I do watch fansubs at YT.

OMG, how can you bear it?! How can you keep living with it!?

The horrible quality, I mean.

[Andu]

As far as i see it, theres no point in uploading full movies and episodes to YouTube (or the YewTube as i like to call it), since all the latest stuff is available through torrents usually before they are even released. I, for one, have downloaded everything i need from torrentspy and if the thing i need has just been released, it will have very high speeds. Ok, you dont have to dl anything from youtube but streaming wont allow for much of a quality so just getting stuff through torrents is, in every way, much better and the viewing pleasure should be greater.

[Aoie_Emesai]

Originally Posted by SpiderBraids

I never saw the massacre clip. And (small voice) I do watch fansubs at YT.

Okay, I'll go hang my head in shame now...

No don't do that, i was just wondering ^_^. (me still your good friend)

[Lumineya]

One thing you also have to take into consideration is Creative Commons. It's a like a less strict form of copyrighting. Anyone who wanders Deviantart should know about it.

Attribution (by): Permit others to copy, distribute, display and perform the work and make derivative works based upon it only if they give the author or licensor the credits in the manner specified by these.
Noncommercial or NonCommercial (nc): Permit others to copy, distribute, display, and perform the work and make derivative works based upon it only for noncommercial purposes.
No Derivative Works or NoDerivs (nd): Permit others to copy, distribute, display and perform only verbatim copies of the work, not derivative works based upon it.
ShareAlike (sa): Permit others to distribute derivative works only under a license identical to the license that governs your work. (See also copyleft.)

So AMV's, cosplay, and fansites are legal, it's almost like free advertising for the companies that own the series/comics/etc that are being used.

Most Japanese stuff is held under CC usage laws. A lot of American things have stricter copyrights. For example, Fox covets all of it's shows like bags of candy (Family Guy and The Simpsons being a couple of examples).

http://search.creativecommons.org/

If all Japanese media were held under strict copyright, imaggine how much "fun" anime conventions would be. Not fun at all. There would be no cosplay unless you bought the outfit from a company, no fanart galleries, no AMV showings and contests, nothing.

The only thing that is downright illegal is uploads of FULL media like an entire book of manga, full episodes or movies, or if you claim an image drawn by the creators as your own art (this includes a traced images). All that just falls under logic, though.

I rip DVDs (although Funimation and Geneon/Pioneer have protection on their DVDs so I can't rip 'em) and I download anime episodes, but not so I can watch 'em, I just butcher them up and use them for AMVs.

I also scan manga and colour in some of my favourite images, but never post them as my own work, I ALWAYS credit the original artist.

Originally Posted by silverwolf

hate the game not the player

If there were no players, there would be no game. The players make the game. :P

[Jewelray]

Originally Posted by SpiderBraids

I'm sick and tired of YouTubers deliberately overloading their vid descriptions with words that have nothing to do with the video at hand. When I search for clips, I sometimes find tons of clips that have nothing to do with what I want, but happen to have the keywords in their frivolous "This video has nothing to do with" lists. If you want to get people to watch your video, why not just do it honestly? (And if the YouTube TPTB can delete videos for being illegal, why not edit descriptions to not trick the search engine?)

That made me laugh... not what I expected from a thread called YouTube Ethics, especially after the recent news about the lawsuit

[Kyuusai]

Originally Posted by Lumineya

One thing you also have to take into consideration is Creative Commons. It's a like a less strict form of copyrighting. Anyone who wanders Deviantart should know about it.

Most Japanese stuff is held under CC usage laws. A lot of American things have stricter copyrights. For example, Fox covets all of it's shows like bags of candy (Family Guy and The Simpsons being a couple of examples).

Japanese works are NOT under CC licenses. They are under the same copyright laws as anything else.

Their enforcement of that copyright is, traditionally, less stringent.

Originally Posted by WanderingKnight

OMG, how can you bear it?! How can you keep living with it!?

The horrible quality, I mean.

Sometimes it's the only way.

[cyth]

Originally Posted by Lumineya

So AMV's, cosplay, and fansites are legal, it's almost like free advertising for the companies that own the series/comics/etc that are being used.

AMVs, cosplay and fansites are ILLEGAL. It sounds ridiculous at least for cosplay and fanart, I know, but it's still illegal. I have nothing against such presentations of available media, but nobody should fool themselves into thinking that what they're doing is completely innocent. Yes, even cosplayers. Considering some companies like COSPA and its subsidiaries pay licencing fees to the original license holders to produce, sell and distribute costumes and clothes, making a cosplay costume is not much different than fansubs vs. legal distribution. While companies quite possibly benefit from such free promotion, the laws state that these are illegal activities. I repeat, I have nothing against such fan-indulging activities, I just think we shouldn't blind ourselves just because many of us draw fanart, cosplay, watch fansubs and AMVs.

As for the YouTube issue itself: YouTube has become truly main stream, and even people like my retarded cousins from Alaska know about it. As such it has an abundance of crap content on its servers, and people that do wish to show their work to a broader audience have no choice but to spam every possible tag they can think of. The goal is to have a link to your clip shown somewhere on the web interface. Having it there raises your chances of success by 1500%.

[wao]

I don't know where people get the idea that Japanese things are under Creative Commons. If anything, THEY'RE actually stricter than the Americans in general - and I don't really mean the companies themselves, but the people as a whole.

Spoiler for blah blah offtopic:

Would you ever expect any non-Japanese anime web ring or fansite group or whatever to completely refrain from putting screenshots (of any sort - even cropped icons) on them entirely? I think nobody'd bat an eyelid.

But from what I see there are very large parts of the Japanese fan community that don't do this at all. Heck, with the Iroha fansite search site I went to, they removed sites simply for posting copyrighted lyrics to a song that wasn't remotely related to the series at all.
And from what I've learned by talking to some of them, there's a lot of sites that actively avoid getting indexed by search engines because they don't awnt to be discovered by the copyright holders. Apparently.

Because like Toua pointed out, no matter how accepted it seems among all of us the (IMO, sad) truth of it is that it is all still illegal (at least in Japan - I think. I haven't actually read the laws).

And I think the reason why there's dramatically fewer pictures on the Japanese wikipedia (compared to the other languages) is related to this sentiment as well. I don't think they have "fair use" policies, so pretty much all the pictures there are taken by the users themselves... no logos, no screenshots.

I personally love using youtube to find specific pieces of animation done by a particular animator or director or whatever, if the rest of the series which that animation was featured in does not interest me at all. It's really handy to watch just that episode of Doremi which Hosoda directed without downloading batch torrents of raws, or just to watch, say, some animator's 1 minute of animation from series X without having to dig up the entire episode.

It's also great for AMVs with various clips of animation from differnt shows by one animator. The good thing is it's also easy to get other people to watch it, as opposed to uploading it and getting them to download it and then watch.

[Aoie_Emesai]

Attribution (by): Permit others to copy, distribute, display and perform the work and make derivative works based upon it only if they give the author or licensor the credits in the manner specified by these.
Noncommercial or NonCommercial (nc): Permit others to copy, distribute, display, and perform the work and make derivative works based upon it only for noncommercial purposes.
No Derivative Works or NoDerivs (nd): Permit others to copy, distribute, display and perform only verbatim copies of the work, not derivative works based upon it.
ShareAlike (sa): Permit others to distribute derivative works only under a license identical to the license that governs your work. (See also copyleft.)

I understand completely. I've seen too much works of art and others distributed without the person giving proper or any credit to them.

[Corn]

I heard that this lawsuit will kill youtube?

goddamit...


even if youtube survive it will not be fun, if there are so many things that will get banned. absolutely horrible...

I love Youtube.